1871 IHC.... Shallow N?

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  1. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    I all. I got this extremely rough 1871 IHC Yesterday. Upon further exam, I think that this is the Reverse of 1869, or "shallow N" reverse die variety. I determined that by the shape of the center of the E's on the reverse. I think they look more like a sideways T, rather than the later reverse design where they are shaped more like the bell of a trumpet. Here is the reverse of an 1888 for comparison. What say you all?

    Also, in this damaged state, what would the variety be worth? I will bring it to the coin show tomorrow but would like some input before hand. Any help to confirm or deny my attribution, as well as opine on value, is greatly appreciated. Thanks for looking! :)
     

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  3. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    Figured I'd give this a bump before I head to the show.... I'm certain it is the Rev. of '69 variety. In G4 condition this variety would be around $300. What is this one worth do you think?
     
  4. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

  5. Pi man

    Pi man Well-Known Member

  6. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    :) Thank you for the reply. I may sell it at the show today if I get a decent offer. We shall see.
     
  7. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    It appears to be that variety, but my concern would be two fold. One its a more obscure variety, and two the condition. Most variety collectors tend to want clearer examples and US collectors arre more severe in dealing with problem coins.

    I think the Penny Lady would be most helpful in assessing the coin. Unfortunately i would be shocked if you received an offer for a third of the G price. I hope i am wrong though.
     
  8. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    +1
     
  9. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    Thanks for the input Chris. Well, we will see how she goes. Leaving to the show now.
     
  10. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Looks like a bold N to me, but really hard to say with the corrosion.
     
  11. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    Well it was confirmed at the show that it IS the reverse of '69 variety. Looking at it side by side with a PCGS normal reverse made it very easy to determine.

    ^ this is the trouble. :( The dealer specializing in IHC's told me that he has 2 clients actively seeking IHC varieties, etc. and they want clear examples. Oh well. :) Still a tough date, and a scarce variety, and I'm happy to have cherrypicked it regardless of condition. I can always upgrade later....
     
  12. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I think its a really cool pick too. Its sad how adverse most US collectors can be of rare coins with issues.
     
  13. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    That's the challenge with IHC varieties -- a very thin market.
     
  14. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    This is a bold N. The shape of the serifs in the "E"'s are bugle shaped. Look at the pics below for more detail.
    shallow N - Serifs in E are "T" shaped
    shallow N.jpg
    Bold N - Serifs in "E' are bugle shaped
    bold N.jpg

    I look for these all the time as it is a very underrated coin in the IHC series. It is a redbook variety and it is VERY scarce. In 3+ years of looking for them, I have only found 4 unattributed. I bought all 4, and 2 of them are problem coins. The other two are G-4 at best.
     
  15. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    Other PUP's turned out to be better for the attribution of my corroded 'shallow N' variety. Most helpful was the thickness of the vertical portions of the letter N, which are much thinner than the normal reverse.
     
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