New addition...1936 Type 1 Satin Proof Buffalo Nickel and question about regrading.

So I added a 1936 Type 1 Satin Proof Buffalo Nickel, NGC PF-66 to the collection. It has not been sent to CAC yet. I am debating whether to send in for a regrade. The coin really looks amazing and I think PF-67 is attainable. Is it best to resubmit coins for regrade in their slabs or to remove them and send them in raw. I love the color of this coin, the Satin Finish is truly beautiful and I think I actually like this one more than my 1937 Brilliant Mirror Proof Buffalo Nickel, PCGS/CAC PR-66. The dominant color on the satin proof is a unique green that is not often seen on this coin type. Additionally there are splashes of yellow, blue, and my favorite color, a cherry red most clearly seen on the reverse. Also I am wondering if I could get recommendations on the best coin photographers who can really capture the full beauty of this coin. While my pictures are OK, I struggle with finding the correct lighting and reflections off the plastic slab. Any answers to the questions in this post would be greatly appreciated.

 

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66 looks good to me. I would leave it as is. If it is a 67 in your eyes, it doesn't matter what the grading company thinks, unless you want to sell. What are the dots under the chin?

 

Then again, if you send it to CAC and they gold sticker it--
then you'll know if it is a candidate for an upgrade.

And at a cheaper price.

But, CAC has been silly lately.

 

Concur with Doug, unless you want it in a PCGS slab, then break it out.

As for photos

Todd aka BlueCC or Robec

 

Can't answer any of your questions, but I think you've got a great buff there! :thumb:

 

Here's Todd http://www.cointalk.com/t225166/

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Fixed link

 

Thanks KJ. By da way, how far up der in da Nortwoods are ya? Im from Milwaukee so I am familiar with the area : ) ON WISCONSIN!

 

The "dots under the chin" are little areas of purple/dark cherry color. No flaws whatsoever, simply areas of darker toning. Like I said in the OP getting photographs that are really excellent is very difficult due to reflection off the slab and the unique way in which the Satin Finish reflects light also. If you havent seen a toned Satin Finish Proof Buffalo in hand before it is hard to explain. It is plain and simply just AMAZING, but hard to photograph.

 

I figured they were toning splashes, just didn't know if they could have been carbon spots or something that would hold it back from 66. And maybe instead of trying to upgrade or CAC, I would get it professionally photographed. I know those Satins are gorgeous, but the off angle with glare just doesn't do it justice.

 

Makes sense... good point. Sorry again about the pics. I feel like I have done the coin a great injustice by posting pictures that do not capture its true beauty. In hand it is really a true WOW coin. But back to what you said, it is a new holder but it was put in that new holder by NGC at Heritage Auction's Headquaters in Dallas. I originally bought the coin from my trusted dealer about a month and half ago and it was in an OLD NGC holder that had some fine air bubbles in the plastic of the slab. So my dealer (a very kind, trustworthy, and well known numismatist) had me send it to him while he was AT Heritage in Dallas (attending an auction) where NGC has an office. There in the NGC office the coin was taken out of the OLD holder and simply put into its new edgeview slab by an NGC rep. It was not regraded however. That is why I was contemplating a regrade (and it explains the new holder too).

 

TO HULLCOINS:
No worries. Thankfully no carbon flecs/spots whatsoever on this beauty, and I agree with you. I have a couple of other coins that really should be professionally photographed also so I think Ill send the lot of them in and save the regrade money.

 

I don't know if this image is large enough for a good comparison. It is a PCGS PR67. I wish I still had it.

 

These coins are notoriously difficult to capture in a photograph and thus to grade from a photograph, so I cannot say with any sense of authority if you will be well served by a regrade. I suppose it's worth a shot, as the value goes up quite a bit in 67 plastic, particularly with a CAC sticker.

Here's my own example of an NGC 67, FWIW. CAC did not approve of the coin at this grade. Carbon specks and all, you will notice many of the same hues as your coin.....




And like your photo, the ones above don't even come close to capturing the beauty, luster, and color of the coin in-hand.

FWIW, I agree that BlueCC will do a wonderful job photographing your coin, but even then this is just one of those coins that has to be seen in hand to truly appreciate.

 

Nice Buffalos, very nice...:thumb:

 

@WierdFishes, Awsome coin whatever the grade


@Leadfoot

My '36 looks a lot like yours does. Colors and strike are similar Mine is not a proof though. NGC did put it in 67 plastic.

 

To those of you who also have Satin Proofs I am wondering if you have noticed the prescence of two lines between which the year 1936 is engraved. They appear somewhat faintly but look like lines that one would see on a piece of lined loose leaf paper to serve as a guide so that all the numbers are of the same height, as the lines are parallel to one another. Here is a picture. Youll have to hover over the picture then once it pops up click on it so you can view the full size image. The lines will be much more visible this way.

 

WF, my friend. No way I'd break the coin out of the holder for a resubmission. That is a very risky endeavor that could backfire if it comes back with a details grade. Perhaps unlikely, but nonetheless a possibility that would undermine what you have invested in the coin.

The resubmission game (from what I understand - I don't play it) usually involves submitting many, many times to see if the graders will change their mind, if ever. The objective is to hit the jackpot and then resale the coin to reap it. I don't think you intend to resell the coin anytime soon, am I right? Additionally, all the grading fees associated with multiple submissions could be thrown towards another coin for your collection.

Ask yourself this - will I enjoy this coin more if the label says a 67 vs a 66? The answer should guide you.

 

I can see the same line on this one.

 

If you crack the coin out of the holder you then void the certification and have no assurance that the coin will end up in another problem-free holder. It is something to think about. Also, I have never heard of NGC reholdering coins on site at Heritage. However, they will regrade and/or reholder coins at shows.