Another determining factor on type 1 and type 2 indian head cents

:thumb:Hello to one and all of my coinacious brothers and sisters!
I am not only an avid coin collector, but also an artist. Any how, as with some artist displaying work to show is more a matter of suggestion or accuracy. To me, i prefer either or. Any way, whilst i was looking through the web, for Indian Head Pennies, as i am currently working on Making Giant Americana style Indian head penny, I came across this thread for part of my study... It all started while doing study drawings for this particular penny. Basically i do drawings first, then i layout a guide, then i sculpt from clay a rendering like the coin i am doing. I did this with the Lincoln Cent, 3 different sizes. I decided to follow suit with the Indian Head Cent... I'm working on the introduction year of 1859... I was doing studies of this coin and figured all of the obverse to be the same, so i did the drafts to both 1859 and 1909...
When i observed closely, i noticed that the 1859 which is known as the type 1 indian head, the head dress tail feather points between I and C, in America. When i observed the 1909 study i did, i noticed the same head dress feather points between the C and A, in America. That much is evident. But i revealed a very startling discovery that, i'm not sure any one else might have picked up on.
The Type 1 style coins have the rimmed or toothed nubs, at a count of 125 teeth. This is evident in all Indian Cents from 1859 to 1886. While the Type 2 style coins have the rimmed or toothed nubs, at a count of 136 teeth. This is clearly evident in all Indian Cents from 1886 to 1909... It amazed me about the differences, and also helped me so that when i spend the countless hours acurately sculpting the Giant Indian Head Cent, i will now have to make 2 different kinds of Obverse... I hope that this information is useful to you in the near future, when determining not only the style, but authenticity of the Indian Head Cents... Count the rimmed nubs on type 1 and 2 of all the years, and you will be amazed...

Thank you once again for your attention my coinacious brothers and sisters!
Sincerely, Rob Vega aka 'Centennial'

PS: Below is The Giant Lincoln Cent in progress to scale, and A sneak peak of the Indian Head Cent Layout. The Lincoln Cent took me over 125 hours to sculpt to scale. The Indian Head will take approximately the same time, if not more or less time...

 

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Very nice work!

If all Lincoln and Indian Head cents were that size, maybe I wouldn't get headaches from searching them.

Chris

 

No, but you'd get hernias carrying boxes of rolls home from the bank.

 

what are you sculpting with you should enter a mint design contest or try and get a job as a engraver at the mint

 

Thanks Enochian, i have many designs. I got into a bet last year with a friend who does clay relief and painting, the same as me... The bet was, who ever won the election would get a coin, and the losing artist would have to make one, of his own design... Well, i lost the bet, so i had to make an Obama Coin... I did the relief, and made a few copies. I sold 2, and have one that i have to sell. Each is original, but the same type coin design... I made a silver, gold, and copper type... I will come out with a few this year, but i first need to complete the Indian Head Penny... I will display that coin later in another article... A 'how I made it' article

 

Impressive work. Are you using some type of CAD system to maintain and create the scale of your model and finished work?

 

None whatsoever. Just blood sweat and tears! I have my methods to my madness. I have gone blind and done some coinage reliefs on my own! No CAD, no CNC, no Pantograph, just observation and scaling! Old school style... Only the best for those that appreciate my work! I've been at this for quite sometime... Trial and error sort of thing. I am working on the Giant Indian Head now. I've had some request that i should do the backs too, but not as a complete giant coin. These coins are fashioned for my art work. In other words, i make them my own, by adding embelishments, making them into collage pieces and the like... Not for the house mind you, but FOR THE HOME!!! After all, Home is where the heart is!:cheers:

 

I dont know about, nor have I heard of, the dentile count around the rim being different, but it is a great observation!

Excellent work by the way!!!

 

Thanks! Yes, it was by accident that i discovered this. All it really is, is just another determining factor between Type 1 and Type 2 Indian Head... to keep it simple--> Indian head cents from 1859 to mid 1886 have 125 milled teeth on the inner circumference of the rim, this is type 1.... Indian head cents from mid 1886 to 1909 have 136 milled teeth on the inner circumference of the rim, this is type 2... The thing is, that type 1 has always been since 1859 there were no changes made to type one in 1886. Just discontinuation of that die. All they did was change dies. Type 2 continued until its final year in 1909... type 1 = 125 teeth, type 2 = 136 teeth.