Huge drop in gold!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by kyrow, Apr 15, 2013.

  1. kyrow

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  3. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    if you can find any.....
     
  4. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    I'll wait for it to break $500 / ozt. ;)
     
  5. beef1020

    beef1020 Junior Member

    Why would you not be able to find any, apmex has 1 oz bars for $40 over spot.
     
  6. Chiefbullsit

    Chiefbullsit CRAZY HORSE


    No worry, the Mint will have a warehouse full of it this Thursday...:D...BUT, what will the price be?????

    I wonder what the $50 Proof Gold Eagle goes for?
     
  7. kyrow

    kyrow New Member

    so true.
     
  8. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    I'm looking local, nothing going on around here....
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It will be based on what they paid for the gold to make the coins. So if the spot price drops now, the mint's won't necessarily drop as well. They not allowed to lose money on the coins by law.
     
  10. Chiefbullsit

    Chiefbullsit CRAZY HORSE


    That sounds about right...I'll guess $1860 for the $50 AGE.
     
  11. Blaubart

    Blaubart Melt Value = 4.50

    Neither am I, as per the law laid down by my wife. ;)
     
  12. Aslpride

    Aslpride Active Member

    I read an article stated that people who hold physical gold and/or silver bullion aren't in risk because they don't have to sell them right now. They can hold them until price go up. Only gold and silver paper are at risk. The big investors hope small investors will sell their physical gold and silver due to big drop in value per oz. I guess people who invested physical gold or silver are still winner and those who invested on gold and silver paper aren't so lucky at this time.
     
  13. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    The only paper losers are those holding call options on SLV, GLD, etc. The equal side of those holding put options are making better gains than the physical holders , but will have to sell eventually ( according to their expiration date. The other paper loser are those big timers ( such as bullion suppliers, and such that have contracts on gold or silver in the future. Most will lose all value as it stands due to not wanting to take delivery of gold/silver at a price above value. Contract sellers made out great. They can take profits or buy an offsetting call contract for much less and enjoy profits.

    Owners of SLV or GLD shares ( paper) have the same proportional loss as physical holders as their shares do not expire and if/when the value rises on the physical metal, their share value will also.

    The idea in the article you read is to encourage the uninformed that only the hard physical metal is 'safe' even as it loses value. If paper and physical are considered with an open mind, GLD/SLV shares share the same value directives. There is no big time ETF or bullion dealer that only deals with physical, they must deal with paper to some extent for hedging as well as for future inventory control. They are just trolling for suckers. IMO.
     
  14. sodude

    sodude Well-Known Member

    I don't know how they convince people that their physical holdings are not losing value, but somehow they do convince them.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's easy because people will believe what they want to believe.

    The reality is that gold & silver are no different than any other commodity. Every commodity, regardless of what it is - and even plain old dirt is a commodity - goes up and down in price all the time. And all of them have value. And you can make money or lose money will all of them. Everything else involved is just so much salesmanship - convincing people to buy and/or sell this or that.

    You want to make money ? Then become the salesman, the broker. He makes money no matter whether the commodity goes up, or down. Because he gets paid based on the sale simply taking place. So for him it is a win win no matter what happens.

    Or - become the writer who writes about such things. He gets paid either way too.

    What you have to realize is that you, yes YOU, are being played. They play on your emotions and rely on the fact that your emotions will force you to go one way or the other. And they don't care which way you go because they will make money regardless of which way you go.
     
  16. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Great post. Kind of reminds me of the skit on the original SNL. Dan Ackroyd plays a radio talk show host and is asking for people to call in. No one does. Then he makes a somewhat inflammatory remark, still nothing. He gets to the point he's advocating killing puppies and all other kinds of absurdities simply to try to get someone to call in to talk to him.

    In the same vein, salesmen like you describe Doug will say or do anything simply to generate "action". They seriously do not care if they convince you its a sham and going down, play on fears and convince you its going up, or what. They simply want some action, as that is what lets them buy their Beemers and the summer house on the lake.

    My main defense? REALLY pay attention to the wording they use. Any use of intentionally inflammatory language, or unsupported broad assertions, are my first red flag its a sales pitch, and not real research.
     
  17. Aslpride

    Aslpride Active Member

    Yesterday, I went to three different pawn stores. One said, "All gone." Other two of them said same thing, "We do buy them, but we don't sell them. If you want them, then find your local coin shop to obtain them."

    I guess they won't accept the loss. Oh well.

    I wonder if bank will offer gold/silver bars or coin shop is only one that would sell them?
     
  18. Lucky Cuss

    Lucky Cuss Cobrador de Plata

    Hope springs eternal, as the saying goes. I don't see why individuals could be expected to divest themselves of their holdings on a dip like this unless it was out of dire financial necessity, and that even that would be at all widespread seems to be wishful thinking.
     
  19. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    If its a dip. You are assuming it "has" to back up short term. Some dealers held their pm in the early 80's all the way from the 40s down, finally selling it off for less than $10. What if this is a temporary reprieve, an opportunity to still sell before it corrects more?

    Just pointing out sir the possibilities go both ways. Its not a black and white scenario only, like much of life.
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    If you are standing on a hill, going up, and wagon comes by also going up. Odds are you'll jump on the wagon.

    But if you are on that wagon and it's headed for a cliff, odds are you'll jump off in a big hurry ;)
     
  21. Lucky Cuss

    Lucky Cuss Cobrador de Plata

    Good points made in both of the two previous posts. My thought is that many who bought gold and/or silver bullion might've had a reason such as an inflation or currency collapse hedge rather than to resell for a profit or to avoid a bigger loss. Those folks probably aren't going to be stampeded by the present situation.
     
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