Is this bust dollar good?

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  1. longshot

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    longshot, Jan 20, 2023
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  3. Steven Shaw

    Steven Shaw Well-Known Member

    Date doesn't look right
     
    Steven Shaw, Jan 20, 2023
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  4. Randy Abercrombie

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    Wow.... On a deal like that, I wouldn't dare touch it without being in a slab that I could verify unless I had @Jack D. Young at my side..... I know a lot of series well enough to make a call on my own but not the early stuff... I keep looking at the break in the letter "R" in Liberty. That may very well be a known die variation, I couldn't say. But why on earth would that coin not be slabbed?
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Looks pretty bogus to me, though not as bad as some Chinese made counterfeits I've seen. Date numerals look a bit hinky, and the overall softness of the details make me suspicious.
    A lot of copies had dies (or if cast, then molds) created from the original coins. This kind of has that cast appearance, though I'm not sure how they add a reeded edge on a cast copy. I'm sure they must be able to, though, and doing so would hide the casting seam, so... yeah.
     
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  6. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't buy anything from someone who holds their coins like this.
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    KBBPLL, Jan 20, 2023
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  7. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    When in doubt follow your intuition. I have my doubt so I would leave it alone. Good luck and thanks for sharing.
     
    Mr.Q, Jan 20, 2023
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  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I wouldn't touch it with the proverbial ten-foot pole.

    Not even with a hundred-foot pole.
     
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  9. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    What? You don't trust texico_bob?
     
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  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    The denticles look really bad, too. Totally has the look of a cast copy.
     
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  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Says listing ended by owner.
    No orange hoodie though.
     
    Pickin and Grinin, Jan 20, 2023
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  12. Randy Abercrombie

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    Not until ole Texico Bob gets himself a manicure.... :rolleyes:
     
    Randy Abercrombie, Jan 20, 2023
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  13. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    If you look at the 'bids' listing you can see everyone diving out the window. I wonder if Jack blew the whistle...........
     
    green18, Jan 20, 2023
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  14. KBBPLL

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    Here's his trade dollar listing. I guess if we ever need his fingerprints we know where to find them.
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  15. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    I reported it- now has the orange hoodie award...

    Off-center bust only used for 1 variety of 1795; used a genuine one to make dies to create this family of fakes. I saved images:

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    Also wrote a Coin Week article on these:D...
     
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  16. Randy Abercrombie

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    Jack to the rescue!
     
    Randy Abercrombie, Jan 20, 2023
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  17. Marsden

    Marsden Well-Known Member

    If they'd sell them for a buck or so, it wouldn't be quite so infuriating. Still illegal, sure, but less infuriating.

    Of course, I also think they should identify them as copies or fakes, but I'm just old-fashioned like that.
     
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  18. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    There’s one there now. If it has a reeded edge and is the off-center variety dated 1796, there’s no way it’s real. Bust Dollars never had a reeded edge except those from bogus sources.
     
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  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Yeah I didn't try to break the coin down, as I don't collect them, or have any thoughts of buying one. Even if I was to be looking the coin just has that off look of a counterfeit.
     
    Pickin and Grinin, Jan 21, 2023
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  20. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Here is an example of the 1795 Off-Center Bust Dollar. This mistake was only made in 1795. All pieces dated 1796 are counterfeits. These bad pieces have been around for well over a decade.

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  21. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Nuch more natural colors and luster John.
    I like It.
     
    Pickin and Grinin, Jan 21, 2023
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