What is this?????

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by zmemarine, Mar 28, 2013.

  1. zmemarine

    zmemarine Junior Member

    Found this coin roll hunting and have never seen anything like it. I know it's something good and would like to put it up on feebay but don't know how to label it. Help please!
     

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  3. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Seeing the damaged rims makes me think it was altered/damaged outside of the mint, so post-mint damage. I don't see what error it could possibly be.
    Keep up the hunt!
     
  4. zmemarine

    zmemarine Junior Member

    The reverse part of the coin looks like there was an extra part struck over the coin. Looks like I could peel it off if I tried hard enough.
     
  5. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I see what you mean, and honestly I don't know what to call it because I have never seen a coin like this before. Hopefully some error experts can chime in on this coin.
     
  6. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I believe it is PMD also. Creative grinding/sanding metalwork. Or it met up with one powerful and badly adjusted coin counting machine.
     
  7. newcoinguy

    newcoinguy Member

    That looks very interesting, to me it looks like damage that came from the mint
     
  8. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Not to dispute PMD, but being as this is clearly a zinc cent, I would think that this much grinding it would show though.
     
  9. lincolncent

    lincolncent Future Storm Chaser Guy

    How ya figure?
    I don't see a date or any other markings to indicate its zinc.

    That said, I'm 99% sure this is PMD. The scratches on the obverse pretty much give that away.
     
  10. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I see a few plating blisters on the obverse, and the initials at the base of the memorial are bold. And sometimes you can just tell by the color and look of the design. So I am pretty much positive it is a zincoln.
     
  11. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Did you bother to even look at the design? Take another look and then tell me that this is not a zinc cent.
     
  12. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    It's glue. You can take it off with acetone, I'll bet.
     
  13. zmemarine

    zmemarine Junior Member

    It is a zinc. You can see the zinc along the whole side of the raised area on the reverse. It is NOT glue. I have found hundreds of error coins coin roll hunting and sell them on eBay. This is a mint error I just don't know what happened in the minting process to cause this.
     
  14. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    If you don't know how it happened in the minting process, how can you be sure it is an error?
    The flattened rims, scratches/gouges all point to PMD. I'm not saying there is no possible way it can be a mint error, but in my experience searching rolls for errors and varieties, the damage I am seeing is consistent with a coin altered outside the mint.
    If you don't mind, could you please private message me your ebay username? I would like to see the other errors you have found while searching.
     
  15. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    It was squeezed between something. Notice how the clear parts of the image correspond on both sides. This is because there were voids and low spots in what ever vice got a hold of it. PMD
     
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  16. therocktjb

    therocktjb Wait, what**

    I could have been any number of things that caused this, my guess is someone put it in a vice grip or bench grip, then went to town on it. No mint error I've ever seen has done this.
     
  17. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Extra strips of metal cannot be "struck on" a coin, they can't fuse with it (besides other coins, as far as I know). Plus, if there was a piece of metal stuck in the coining chamber, it would result in an incuse anomaly on the coin, creating a "struck through" error. But that is not what happened on your coin.
     
  18. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I can't say with 100% certainty that it isn't a Mint error. It looks almost as though a piece of metal (scrap of a blank?) fell onto the planchet while in the coining chamber and was retained after being struck. Note that the lettering appears bold on the fragment, but is very weak or missing on the rest of UNITED STATES of AMERICA and part of the Memorial. This could suggest that the die was not able to make complete contact with the underlying planchet.

    I can't explain the parallel lines on the obverse, but it is interesting to note that those lines from Lincoln's chin and the field in front of it end abruptly and uniformly at a point along Lincoln's shoulder which appears to be a line that is not a part of the design. Note also that this line coincides with that area of the rim and date which appear to be missing. This might also suggest that some foreign object was between the obverse die and the planchet when it was struck.

    Go ahead and call me crazy, but I think we need someone like Mike Diamond to analyze this.

    Chris

    NOTE to the OP: Don't try to peel the scrap off the reverse!
     
  19. Clutchy

    Clutchy Well-Known Member

    That's PMD.that coin was stuck between two moving parts for sometime.
     
  20. Clutchy

    Clutchy Well-Known Member

    I pulled a quarter out of a machine once that looked like an indian tribe carved a little axe head put of it. It had little damage on one side and the other was ground to a sharp point.
     
  21. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    There would have to have been too many unusual occurances for this to be a mint error. First, note the metal pushed out beyond the perimeter of the coin in the area circled on the right. This would mean a partial collar or broken collar. Second, the die would have to have had a piece of something stuck on it's perimiter to cause the impression in the circle on the left. Third, the so-called piece of metal struck into it has a well defined shape that is even on both sides.
    I would be more inclined to believe that whatever was used to smoosh the coin had a void in it that matches that shape.
     

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