Antinoös or not ? (part II)

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Rudi Smits, Mar 19, 2013.

  1. Rudi Smits

    Rudi Smits Member

    I posted this item a few days ago, having well-appreciated response from some of you. I also posted this lead tessera/token/amulet on another forum, and emailed some friends numismatists... Some said : great find ! An Antinoös lead portret tessera ! Wow ! Others stated this not to be Hadrian's gay friend... Balance is now 50/50, although I wouldn't dare to question our forum's specialist, who said : nope. Not Antinoös, not even from Egypt Origin...

    Here's two of the replies I had on another forum :

    Obverse : I do not believe it is Antinoos. There is a palm? to the left, so I am thinking something like Hermanubis (if it is Alexandrian, which I am not at all sure it is). The headdress looks strange, though. There looks like a snake to the right, similar to that on the head.
    Reverse: The standing figure holds a vase on a stick/paddle, not a pomegranate. There looks to be a boat? on a base with a tower/structure with a window (perhaps part of a pharos picture?). There is an animal standing right with a curved horn (ram?/bull?). There appear to be other animals, which I can not make out, perhaps ascorpion or triton. The standing figure appears to hold another vase in his other hand.An extremely interesting coin, probably unique...

    I have some doubts that is ancient. I have seen well over 150 lead pieces from
    Egypt and each has had much more surface corrosion and a white, off-white, or whitish tan patina. This is just a little dark, and lead can pick up that much color in a very short time. The surface looks more battered than corroded. Perhaps I am being overly suspicious...

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    Let's give it a final look...

     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    It's beyond my understanding. I still think it has the look of Antinoos, but, hey, I'm no scholar especially on this topic.
     
  4. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    There is a chance it is Antinoös. But there is an equal chance it is some other guy. What I can say with the utmost certainty is that this is not Egyptian.

    One other thing to note - Egyptian lead tesserae are not known for the city of Alexandria. Anyone selling one as such is wrong.
     
  5. Rudi Smits

    Rudi Smits Member

    Well, I had some positive ID's on Antinoös, although some saying it's not him... I might take a risk here, but i will contact the seller right now to agree on this one
     
  6. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    You should also realize that the other person who doesn't think its Antinoös literally wrote the reference on Roman-Egyptian coins.
     
  7. Rudi Smits

    Rudi Smits Member

  8. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    One of the commenters on the other forum.
     
  9. Rudi Smits

    Rudi Smits Member

    I see. Dont know their real names, only their forum ones... Am writing to the seller this instant, telling him i will take it. If it's not A, it still remains a fascinating and interesting item...
     
  10. rasiel

    rasiel New Member

    Rudi maybe this comes across as odd but I am an absolute zero when it comes to provincial coinage. If I had this coin in hand I wouldn't honestly know where to even begin!

    Sorry I'm useless here :dismay:

    Ras
     
  11. Rudi Smits

    Rudi Smits Member

    Now thàt's what I call being honest :). Thanks anyway Ras !
     
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