Storing coins in baggies

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Clutchy, Mar 7, 2013.

  1. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    my 57 has become green so i was wondering. wouldnt want that to happen to yours.
     
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  3. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    just buy the safgard thingy that museums use. then the only thing ull have to worry about are the rubs.
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Kentucky - I wouldn't trust the validity of that test if I were you.
     
  5. Kentucky

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  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah. Now take a piece of a Zip-Lock that has no PVC in it, and do the same test. Watch the flame show green.
     
  7. Kentucky

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    Things don't happen for no reason. The reason you would get a green flame from heating a copper wire is the presence of a copper halide. The appearance of the green has to indicate a halide, and the most common halide is chloride from something like PVC. Don't know what other chlorinated polymers might be in your zip-lock, but contamination from your fingers could put some sodium chloride on the wire. This is a standard chemical test.
     
  8. Kevinfred

    Kevinfred Junior Member

    Why are they called "apple bags" ?
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Because that's the name of the company that makes them.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I don't make any claims at understanding "why" it happens, I only know that it does happen.

    Point is, if by using that test and a plastic bag that has absolutely no PVC in it shows a green flame, and a plastic bag that does have PVC in it shows green - then what good is the test ?
     
  11. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Don't doubt your word an instant, but can't explain why it happened. I will have to try it. What brand was the plastic bag and why are you sure it doesn't have PVC in it?
     
  12. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Where are you guys getting the copper wire you are using?
     
  13. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Since I work in a chem lab, it comes off a 1/4 pound spool of pure copper wire. I burn it in the flame (I use a bunsen burner) until it is clean of any color, then touch the plastic to be tested while the wire is still hot, and then return it to the flame.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    They were Zip-Lock bags and I know they don't have any PVC because food storage products are not allowed to have any PVC in them by law.

    As for the copper wire, electrical wire. Same place 99% of other people are going to get it if they want to run that test.
     
  15. Clutchy

    Clutchy Well-Known Member

    I will take a silver coin, one that is considered only bullion at this point and clean it up. Next I'll take some pictures of it and then store it in a bag for a few months. That should determine if those bags are safe or not.
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not necessarily. Sometimes it can take years for the PVC to break down, or it can happen in a week. It depends on conditions and how old the bags are.

    That said, if you open a new pack of those bags and smell it, if it smells like a new shower curtain then you want to get rid of them. If they don't, then you should be fine.
     
  17. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    That could be the very reason the result are different. In a chemistry lab, the copper wire is pure unclad wire. Since much of general electrical insulation is mainly PVC based plastic, PVC could remain on the plastic. The test must be done with uncontaminated copper wire , heated to black oxide form, and then touching the material~ before the flame test. The test is usually done on powered material or salts rather than melting it on the wire, but that should make little difference.
     
  18. Clutchy

    Clutchy Well-Known Member

    I love experiments, so I'll do a few then. One in the closet, one in the bathroom, one outdoors and one by the boiler.
     
  19. Clutchy

    Clutchy Well-Known Member

    LOLOLOL !!! I AM OFFICALLY A 2X2 HOLDER ....... MAN RIGHT THIS MINUTE !

    I brought a few coins in to show my co-worker. He collects as well. He dropped my BU 68s on the floor. If it was in a baggie it would have been toast.
     
  20. Clutchy

    Clutchy Well-Known Member

    I just went from 0 to I Dont Need To Hold My Coins Anymore in 1.253 seconds.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The ground wire doesn't have any plastic coating.
     
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