Tiberius..the Tribute penny..

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  1. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    This is a new pick up, i got this at my last coin club meeting, with a few others...:yes:

    Tiberius..14- 37..AD..
    AR ..Denarius.
    Ob. Tiberius Caesar laur. head right.
    Rev.Female figure seated right.
    holding scepter and branch..
    Lugdunum..16..AD..
    19mm x 3.14g..
    Sellers note's..
    Commonly referred to as the " Tribute Penny of Matthew's Gospel..22, 17-21."
     

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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    That's in very good condition. Nice portrait.
     
  4. Dionysos

    Dionysos Well-Known Member

    A very nice example :thumb:
     
  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Lucky, they're not cheap. Wonder why the weight is low though.
     
  6. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    I picked one of these up just a bit ago as well. Only Number 3 of my Julio-Claudians after 20 years collecting:

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    With most Roman Coins, expensive types that is...Anyone who knows me knows I look for the finest example of portraits on my Roman coins and am willing to wait as long as it takes until I find the right one. A while back I decided if I am going to spend money on coins I am going for quality over quantity (so I don't buy a lot) IMO, this one is exceptional.

    Tiberius 14-37 A.D.

    AR Denarius 16 A.D. Lugdunum

    Laureate head right / Livia seated right on chair with ornate legs, single line floor, holding long scepter and Olive branch

    weight 3.58 g

    reference RIC 30 BMC 48 RCV 1763

    TI CAESAR DIVI AVG F AVGVSTVS (Tiberius Caesar Divi Augusti Filius Augustus) - Tiberius Caesar Son of the Divine Augustus Augustus. This is the name of the Emperor Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus commonly referred to as just Tiberius.

    PONTIF MAXIM (Pontifex Maximus) - Greatest Pontiff. referring to his position as the head of the college of priest of the roman religion.

    The obverse of the coin depicts Tiberius (Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus, born Tiberius Claudius Nero), the second Emperor of Rome. The obverse inscription is his name as it was after the death of his adopted father Augustus and shows his connection to the the Julian line. With Augustus he is connected to his adopted father, the first emperor of Rome and with the name Caesar his connection to Julius Caesar through his adopted fathers adopted father . With Divi Augustus Filius the fact that he is the son of a God.

    Depicted on the reverse is Livia Drusilla (Julia Augusta) wife of Augustus and mother to Tiberius by her first husband, Tiberius Claudius Nero. Livia is the link between the Julian and Claudian families that gave their names to the founding imperial Julio-Claudian dynasty. Livia was Augustus's third wife and he was her second husband. She was from an old and distinguished family who exercised great influence over Augustus and even more so Tiberius.

    Minted early in his reign, this coin is often identified (whether correctly or incorrectly) as the so called Tribute Penny mentioned in in the bible.

    Mark 12:14 "...Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?"
    Mark 12:15 "...bring me a penny, that I may see it"
    Mark 12:16 "...And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's."
    Mark 12:17 "...Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

    The coin mentioned in the bible may certainly have been a denarius of Tiberius, it also could have been Augustus or an earlier coin pre-imperial or local issue. The coin could have been a denarius but it could very have been another type of coin, or another type of denarius. The simple fact is there is just no way of knowing what exact coin type he held at that place and time or who exactly was on it. There is, however, no doubt that if any of the commonly estimated years given for the birth and death of Jesus are correct, Tiberius was certainly in power at this time. Tiberius would have been nearing the end of a long 22 year rule that began when Jesus was most likely in his teens.

    Its possible link to Jesus means nothing to me as much as it is a fine coin with a fine portrait from one of the most interesting of emperors.
     
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  7. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    Very nice coin and yes, I imagine very expensive. Beyond my current budget. lol
     
  8. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Excellent pickup eng!
     
  9. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Drusus, awesome coin, very nice details...great info too!!! i traded this for 9 oz's of silver...:yes:
     
  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I'm sure this discussion has occurred before, but coins of the Bible would be a fascinating collection, if anyone had the means to assemble it. There are a few passages in the Old Testament in which coins are mentioned.

    Ezra 2:69

    1 Chronicles 29:7

    The Daric was a gold coin first issued by Darius I, after Cyrus took Sardis and Asia Minor became a Persian possession. The Daric and its silver counterpart, the Siglos, were the first coins to depict a human being.

    Example of a Daric (not mine)...

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  11. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    It would make an interesting, but expensive collection.

    However, religious people would love it.
     
  12. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    The mina mentioned in the above passages was a weight of silver. Some scholars calculate the weight at a little over 18 troy ounces...

    Mina Antiochus of Syria...

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  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Very nice Drusus. Very nice indeed.

    Here is my only Denarius of Tiberius. Not as nice as Drusus', but not bad either:
    Tiberius3_OBV_opt.jpg Tiberius3_REV_opt.jpg
     
  14. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    That's much better than "not bad" Bing - that's another outstanding example.
     
  15. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I can never justify the cost of such a common coin. Plus I am cheap. This is my only tiberius.

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    Tiberius ( 14 - 37 A.D.)
    AE 'semis'
    Caesaraugusta, Spain
    Struck under Duovirs Sextus Aebutius and Lucius Lucretius.
    O: TI CAESAR DIVI AVG F AVGVSTVS, laureate head left.
    R: Aquila between two signa; C C A across field.
    19mm
    4.9g
    RPC I 353; SNG Copenhagen 560.
     
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  16. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    A very rough Tiberius
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  17. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I bought this one because of the mint and the reverse:

    Tiberius AE 25mm (As)
    OBV: TI CAESAR AVGVSTVS PON MAX IMP, laureate head left
    REV: COL AVGVSTA EMERITA, campgate
    Struck at Emerita, Spain, 14-36 AD
    9.27g, 25mm
    RPC 42
    Tiberius5 OBV.jpg Tiberius5 REV.jpg
     
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  18. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

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    => AR Siglos it is!!
     
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  19. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

  20. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I always liked the sigloi but never could afford a daric. There are four major types of sigloi separated by the pose of the king. I lack the more rare one showing him only from the waist up but the other three and two unusual fractions (1/6 and 1/12) are shown on my page:

    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/persian.html
     
  21. SKI

    SKI Ooka Echizen Kawayama San

    Very nice.
     
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