This coin does not look MS at all!

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  1. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    bsowa1029, Feb 28, 2013
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  3. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Yes, it does look MS to me. I think the toning pattern is making it hard to see luster and obscures some of the details on the coin. This isn't unusual for album toned Frankies.
     
    Morgandude11, Feb 28, 2013
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  4. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    It may be a weak strike, but I'll be curious to hear what the Franklin specialists say. It's a nice coin.
     
    John Anthony, Feb 28, 2013
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  5. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    I collect Franklins as well as Morgans. It looks MS to me.
     
    Morgandude11, Feb 28, 2013
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  6. pballer225

    pballer225 Member

    It looks MS to me too, and I like the toning. :)
     
    pballer225, Feb 28, 2013
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  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I didn't mean to imply you weren't a Franklin expert! :)
     
    John Anthony, Feb 28, 2013
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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'd agree the coin is MS, but no way is it FBL. And that's based on NGC's stated criteria for FBL.
     
    GDJMSP, Feb 28, 2013
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  9. Joshycfl

    Joshycfl Senior Member

    picture looks to be taken with diffused lighting which can sacrifice the luster.
     
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  10. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Agree with Doug. Definitely MS, but likewise, NO FBL. NGC is tougher on FBL than PCGS.
     
    Morgandude11, Feb 28, 2013
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  11. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Looks pretty to me, either way. :D
     
    geekpryde, Feb 28, 2013
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  12. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Considering the date/mint, and that it does not look that far off from NGC's FBL criteria, it should come of no surprise that some leniency was awarded.
     
    BooksB4Coins, Feb 28, 2013
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  13. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Yeah, they do have that discretion, and it would have been FBL with PCGS for certain.
     
    Morgandude11, Feb 28, 2013
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  14. Heated Lime

    Heated Lime Member

    definitely MS with some nice toning
     
    Heated Lime, Feb 28, 2013
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  15. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Bingo. We have a winner.
     
    Leadfoot, Feb 28, 2013
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  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Leniency regarding grade because of date/mint is one thing. But leniency for a special designation with stated criteria - that's something else again.

    And yeah, it did surprise me because they are usually pretty strict about it.
     
    GDJMSP, Feb 28, 2013
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  17. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    In the times past I would have wholeheartedly agreed, but as of late I've seen a number of what I believe to be questionable calls in regards to said designation. Of course, my sampling size may be too small to state that designation leniency is fact, but long ago I learned to believe my own eyes over what should be or supposedly is, so I must respectfully stand by my original statement; considering date, mint, and the fact that it is close (at least from what the images show), this does not surprise me.
     
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  18. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    It's a MS Franklin, but I'm not sold on the FBL.

    There is way too much chatter around the crack bleeding into the bell lines, and the numerous dings that cross through the lines, I don't agree with FBL.

    I'll go along with a weak strike and evidence is the eagle on the reverse, if you look at the wings you can some details missing on the wings, but not from wear as it doesn't look like wear.
     
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  19. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    Looks MS to me, but some might be fooled by the "hot spots" in the image and think they are wear instead of lighting issues.
     
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  20. Atarian

    Atarian Well-Known Member

    I guess I'll be the first to say that I think the toning is unattractive. Fingerprint collectors might like it, though.
     
    Atarian, Mar 1, 2013
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  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Fair enough. I readily admit I have not been watching recently graded FBL's that closely. So perhaps they have become more lenient.

    I guess that shouldn't surprise me really for as you know I wholeheartedly believe that they became more lenient in their grading long ago. So becoming more lenient in this respect as well kind of follows. Guess I was just holding out hope that they would leave some things alone. Not to be it seems.
     
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