Here's a newp 21 peace...gtg if you havent alreasdy seen it posted elsewhere

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That's the stuff! :thumb:

 

Luster is muted. Probably the result of bad dip. That alone should've held it back to 62/63, even with a better-than-average strike. All of this being said assuming the coin was numerically graded, because I'm almost leaning towards "MS-Details".

I looks a lot like my old NGC 63

 

21s are not really lusturous coins. But I do expect some luster to be there in hand. As you can tell by looking at the slab this pic was taken to highlight the surfaces which I think are awesome, rather than to highlight luster. But we shall see.

 

Not true.

I've handled a fair share of '21 Peace Dollars, and I assure you that lustrous examples do exist. The market is just filled with a bunch of lower-end, over-dipped examples... especially if you're shopping on eBay (which I assume is where you purchased your example).

 

Nice!


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I think the coin has a nice look to it with the most disturbing thing about it being the spot in the rays. I would guess MS64.

 

That is a nice coin no matter what the grade

 

They are not lusturous in the same way that other Peace dollars are. I dont think you can debate that on technical merit. THey have a differnet design and relief. 1934 and 35 coins in high end for example are the most lusturous in the series by far. Relative to each other, sure there are lusturous and non lusturous examples. I think anyone calling the coin i posted here a 62 is way out of touch on the series. I think an AU58 guess would show more knowledge on the series grade than 62(its neither of those)

 

I think you are failing to consider or analyze the photograph from a photography standpoint. The shot is underexposed. The result of underexposing a shot is that it does a better job of showing surfaces. The trade off is you dont see the luster. This is similar to when trying to show the color of the coin. It is nearly impossible to show both in a slabbed coin. Here is the same coin with the exposure adjusted by software(would yield better results if done by the camera at the time of the shot but software comes close). I think you would have a different idea on the luster of the coin had I posted this shot instead. Notice the color of the slab is approaching a more realistic white balance and exposure setting. Might you still be right with the coin in hand? Maybe so. But I think this coin, relative to what a lusturous 21 is, has booming luster.

 

I really like it mumu! I've always wanted to get one of these! :thumb: - Dying to know the grade!

 

What?

Who's debating? And what "technical merit" are you referring to?

True, but this isn't a factor in the coins' luster.

This is a proven fact? Can you provide me with your source of this information?...

I'm lost... I thought you said no Peace Dollars were lustrous?

You're the one who asked for my opinion. But you can rest assured this will be the last time I offer it in any thread you create.

Again, what?

The shot showed what the coin will look like in-hand. Your "refined" shot is a joke.

You don't see luster because it's not there.

Nah, it's really not that hard.

Here are just a few photos I've taken that emphasize both luster and color, without under-exposing the coins to light.

Again, your altered photo is pure comedy. The coin will not look like that in hand.

You haven't even seen the coin in hand, so how can you even have an idea of the coin's true luster (or lack there of)?

That is far from realistic

But you just said 1921 Peace Dollars aren't lustrous coins?

 

Why so much anger? Calm down!

 

I'm sorry there buddy but your photography is way short of par there. Your shots are nowhere near as good as you seem to think they are and your interpretation of photography is right there with them. You are not capturing luster nor color well in any of those 4 pics. Even the top guys like Krypto and BluCC cant get 100% of both in 1 shot, not sure why you think you can. I myself fall way short of the pros but here are a couple of my shots capturing luster and surface to show that I have at least dabbled in the art.(I dont pretend I can do luster and color)

 

And here's a shot of my other 1921 taken by Krypto where he nails the color but at the cost of capturing the relative( i sounds like you need to look that word up based on your quote breakdown) 1921 luster. In hand the coin shimmers with the color, the picture doesnt quite show that. And Shane IMO is the #1 color guy on any of the forums.

 

One, that color on her is awesome and two, is that a strike through foreign object next to the L in Liberty, it looks like it goes right up into the rim like a bit of fabric, maybe a sliver of wood?

 

I'd give it a 64+, I could see NGC giving it a 5

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Teenagers they think they know everything

 

Tell me about it. I've got three. The level of knowledge in our house is positively astounding. It surpasses the learning of all the great sages of history. The Library of Congress is a bookshelf by comparison.

 

It was listed as a strike through when I bought it, I cant say for sure what it is. But its not listed on th eholder or anything.

 

Ok ill end the GTG round and announce that the coin is a 63. I dont believe it has anything to do with luster. We shall see. There is some scraping of the neck at the bottom point that I think holds it back. In any case, the reason I bought this coin is the hammered strike.