What is this? Carolus vii augusta vin delicorum

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by GeorgeM, Feb 20, 2013.

  1. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Seems like a 1977 restrike of something... but I don't know if this was made by a mint or private medal company:

    Medal - Carolus Vii Thaler copy 01.jpg Medal - Carolus Vii Thaler copy 02.jpg

    The obverse reads "Carolus VII * D * G * ROM * IMP * S. A. *" with three notes in ovals at the neck: 1977 / IT / 1835.

    The reverse reads Augusta VinDelicorum * MDCCXLIV* and two horse shoes (one tilted with the bottom out to the lower left, one tilted out to the lower right).
     
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  3. Revi

    Revi Mildly numismatic

    The Carolus part is from the Spanish milled dollars. Is it silver? Maybe it's supposed to be like those old silver pieces. They were legal tender in the US until the mid 1800s.
     
  4. Revi

    Revi Mildly numismatic

    The back looks like one of those German Thalars that Lost Dutchman has. It looks like they combined both their favorite obverse and reverse to make a neat bullion coin.
     
  5. Derick

    Derick Well-Known Member

    Does it look something like this?

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  6. Derick

    Derick Well-Known Member

    It seems that it depicts an old German states Augsburg Charles VII Thaler 1744.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    That's what it is. The Austrian mint, for one example, turns out restrikes every year and they have been doing so for decades.
     
  8. Derick

    Derick Well-Known Member

    Sorry for ignorance, but what is it a restrike off. I cannot seem to find the original 1835 date.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No idea, I didn't bother trying to look it up. But the 1977 date makes it obvious is a restrike.

    Many of the European mints issue restrikes all the time. That's the only point I was making. But f you want to get technical they are not really restrikes because they do not use original dies, they make new ones.
     
  10. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Yes, just like that. What was the original coin?

    I mean, the 1977 date seems to mark this as an obvious restrike / tribute, but what is it based on?
     
  11. Derick

    Derick Well-Known Member

    The original coin seems to be the thaler described above, but was only minted (of what I could find) in 1744. The picture comes from this site. Not saying it is forgery or copy, just the only link to the exact design showed on the coin I could find. I have no idea where the 1835 comes from?

    http://www.forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?mode=6Q/zOXMHeZ0=&id=OYMVi1wWSXE=
     
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