new camera. need some help with using it.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by riff, Feb 7, 2013.

  1. riff

    riff I ain't got time to bleed

    so i am going to use the camera my wife uses for her magazines, but i cant figure out how to adjust the brightness of the pics it takes. im not a photog by any means, and really cant use anything other than a point and shoot. is there a way i can adjust the light sensitivity of the camera? it is a canon eos rebel XT. IMG_4949[1].jpg IMG_4951[1].jpg i used it to take these pics of some end roll toned wheats, but it still is a little dull.
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  3. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    The most direct method of manipulation for an otherwise satisfactory image, in my opinion, is to edit the image using software after acquisition.
     
  4. riff

    riff I ain't got time to bleed

    i know i can juice it a little, but i kind of feel like thats cheating when it comes to photographing toning.
     
  5. riff

    riff I ain't got time to bleed

    i took those pics under a full spectrum Ott Light with a white plastic bag over it to diffuse the direct light.
     
  6. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    It's not cheating Riff. I sometimes purposely under expose the picture I'm taking and then lighten it up in the photo editing program. It's not juicing......
     
  7. riff

    riff I ain't got time to bleed

    ah okay. i misunderstood what tom was saying. i thought he meant adjust the color. so under expose, then brighten in post. i will try that.
     
  8. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Well, not always. Sometimes it works for me and other times not. The secret is taking lots and lots of pics under different lighting and exposure scenarios. Depending on how picky at the time I'm taking my shots, I could shoot upwards of thirty or forty frames. If I'm in a not so picky mood I might only shoot five or six.
     
  9. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    The setting you want is "exposure compensation" -- setting it higher will make the picture lighter, and setting it lower will make things darker.

    Placing the coin on a darker background will also drive the camera to do a longer exposure, making the coin appear lighter. If you can find a good neutral gray background, you can use that to set your white balance, which is also helpful.

    The Digital Rebel XT is an old camera, but it still gives you plenty of control over exposure. (I used a Digital Rebel for several years before upgrading to a 20D, which I'm still using.) As you gain more knowledge, you may want to start shooting in RAW mode; this lets you retain more information in the image, and gives you more leeway to correct exposure and color balance in post-processing.
     
  10. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    I'm not writing about "juicing" at all. The goal should be the most accurate representation of the coin in-hand. If producing the most accurate representation means that you must do some post-image acquisition editing then that is what you should do. Most folks do not realize that their cameras are already making these decisions for them before they even take the shot based upon the software package installed into the camera by the manufacturer. Truly, there isn't such a thing as an unaltered digital image produced from any commercail dSLR.
     
  11. riff

    riff I ain't got time to bleed

  12. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    What mode are you using?
     
  13. riff

    riff I ain't got time to bleed

  14. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    I'm using a Canon Rebel XSi but I owned the XT a few years back. The cameras are pretty similar. This is what my setup looks like. Canon XSi, 50" tripod($20) 2 desk laps($13/each) Bulbs are 43w Halogen Clear with 800 lumens. I took a picture of a similar toned end coin to show how this set up looks. I used the Macro mode to take the pictures.

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  15. coinzip

    coinzip Well-Known Member

    Use a piece of plain white paper for background if you don't have a grey card. (helps camera determine white balance)

    Set your camera to take the largest format image it can. (resolution)

    Set your camera to take the largest pixel image it can. (mega pixels)


    BigTee, your camera is focusing on the background, look at the fabric how in focus it is compared to the coin....try a piece of plain white paper or get a grey card from the camera store.
     
  16. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member


    Working on finding something for the background. That was the softest thing I had and I didn't want to scratch the coin on regular stock paper. I do see what you mean though.

    I just asked gbroke that question, do you know one can get a jewelers board?

    Anyone used a light board? I just want something that isn't going to scratch my coins.
     
  17. coinzip

    coinzip Well-Known Member

    Is the jewelers board velvet covered?

    if it is, your camera may do the same thing, focus on the texture of the back ground.

    Another solution would be to manually focus your camera.


    Having the grey card is the best solution, your camera will have perfect (or as close to perfect as possible) white balance.
     
  18. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member


    Whats a grey card? Just grey paper?

    i do believe the jewelers board is velvet.
     
  19. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    coinzip, I use a grey jewelers board. The texture is very fine and the camera does not focus on it (not your standard velvet texture). It also doubles as a grey card. Here is mine. I was given a couple of these from my local coin shop. I cannot find another example of them anywhere.
    Although, I just assumed they are called jeweler's boards. I have no idea, but they work very well.

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  20. coinzip

    coinzip Well-Known Member

    A grey card is used as a reference for your camera to determine white balance.

    gbroke that looks like a grey card to me, does it have any writing on the back that says something about 18% grey?


    they are not extremely expensive 15-20 bucks

     
  21. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    Ya know, I never looked lol. What I can say is that it is very soft on top and rigid on the back.
     
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