What is this? Coin from Iapan?

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by wkw427, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. wkw427

    wkw427 Member

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    Found it in an old stash. No clue what it is
     
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  3. SteveF

    SteveF Member

    taiwan "fat man" - it is my understanding there are a ton of fakes of this coin
     
  4. 16d

    16d Member

    Commonly known as a "fatman dollar". Many varieties exist.
    There are 2 types of them:

    50 CENTS (1/2 YUAN) 30 mm diameter, 0.306 troy ounces silver

    1 DOLLAR (1 YUAN) 37 mm diameter, 0.755 troy ounces silver

    These are hugely counterfeited. At 1st glance, yours looks real.
     
  5. wkw427

    wkw427 Member

    This has been in a chest for about 40 years, so I'm pretty sure it is real :p

    Thanks
     
  6. hontonai

    hontonai Registered Contrarian

    Actually there are 4 types. of which only the Yuan circulated. The 50 cent version and the 10 cent (2.7g .700 silver) and 20 cent (5.4g .700 silver) versions you forgot about, were all minted as specimens only.

    Age is not an indicia of genuineness as there were plenty of contemporary counterfeits, and many of the "souvenir" versions had been produced in the 50+ year span preceding yours being placed in that chest.
     
  7. wkw427

    wkw427 Member

    I see..

    Is there any way I could tell if it is genuine or not?

    What is the date on it regardless?
     
  8. SteveF

    SteveF Member

    that is year 3 - so 1914

    test with a magnet is a good first test - if magnetic then fake - if not need further testing but I am not an expert on those so somebody else would need to help you if it is non-magnetic
     
  9. hontonai

    hontonai Registered Contrarian

    Actually the very first step is to read the legend above Yuan Shih Kai's head. If you don't read Chinese, just count the characters. On a coin dated Year 3 (1914) the count must be six, and for Year 8 (1919 it needs to be 7.

    The next steps would be diameter - 32mm - which is correct on most counterfeits; and weight - 26.4g - which is frequently off, usually to the low side.

    Any coin passing those tests must have its edge examined. Genuine coins may be reeded, plain, have circles all the way around, or have Ts all the way around, alternating orientation. Most fakes are reeded, so that test usually gives inconclusive results.

    Finally, an experienced collector, either by an in-hand examination, or by reviewing high definition, life-size or larger photographs, will consider certain design details, especially including the shoulder boards and the reverse foliage, and the calligraphy or style of the characters.

    Personally, I would never confirm genuineness solely from photographs, no matter how large or how good the definition.
     
  10. Copper Head

    Copper Head Active Member

    Iapan is a very old country. Not many people have seen coins from there.
     
  11. hontonai

    hontonai Registered Contrarian

    Are you kidding?

    Japanese coins are seen by at least as many numismatists as those from England, France, South Africa, Australia, and other major countries of the world; and more than those who have seen coins from Senegal, Nepal, Paraguay, and other smaller countries - not to mention the 128-million residents of Japan and it's hundreds of thousands of annual visitors.

    It's also somewhat curious that you choose a thread about a Chinese coin to make that comment in.
     
  12. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    No you missed his joke. He was poking fun at a typo. I've ssen a lot of coins from Japan, but I haven't seen any coins from Iapan.
     
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