1909-S IHC -- would a real one ever have rims/denticles like this?

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  1. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    $T2eC16V,!zcE9s4g3L5ZBRCt9(BV9g~~60_57.JPG

    $(KGrHqJ,!rQFDH8ZjW1nBRCt9,nDtQ~~60_57.JPG

    Looks cast to me. Any chance a real coin could look like this?
     
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  3. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    It appears cast and artificially aged.
     
  4. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Looks like a real cent to me. Can't tell about the mintmark.
     
  5. TheNickelGuy

    TheNickelGuy Well-Known Member

    I wonder right away about the rim around 6 to 9 o'clock on the obverse and the color looks real funny to me.
     
  6. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    Does not look real to me but a cast.
     
  7. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    That's what worried me the most, along with the denticles on the reverse from 3 to 6 o'clock.

    Somebody popped for it at $325, a few hours after it was listed as a BIN. We'll see what happens in the feedback. If it's a real coin, someone may have gotten a good deal.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    That's nothing really unusual, the coin just isn't well centered. On a well centered coin the rim is the same width all the way around. On coins that are not well centered one part of it will be wider than the rest, while directly opposite that wide area the rim will be narrower than the rest.

    This is something that is actually so common that being well centered is a grading criteria. Unfortunately it is a criteria that many have forgotten in today's world.
     
  9. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    Unless a fake is crudely manufactured, it's often difficult to tell if a coin is authentic from photos alone. Few, if any, modern forgeries are cast. Most are die struck and artificially aged, sometimes with dramatic effect... making it a "less than easy" task to determine authenticity, even with the coin in hand. As far as the OP's coin is concerned, it bears little resemblance to the fake '09'S IHC's I've seen. So I'm leaning towards genuine; but unless the current owner sends it off for grading, we probably will never know.
     
  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I don't like it. Can't put my finger on why, but I don't like it.
     
  11. Doug21

    Doug21 Coin Hoarder

    The odd color and poorly centered strike are good reasons not too like it. I think it is a genuine coin, not sure about the MM. If I were going to try to add the "S", I'd start with a different base coin.
     
  12. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I don't see any of the telltale signs of a cast counterfeit. For instance, I don't see any casting bubbles or loss of detail as you see in a cast copy. You could get a better idea by looking carefully at the edge for the cast seams or tooling to hide them. The color looks a bit off, but that could simply be recoloring. The only thing that really left me scratching my head was the denticles on the reverse around 5 o'clock. They look odd.
     
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