1921 Morgan dollar grade

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  1. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    What would you grade this Morgan? Got it today, don't care value.
     

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  3. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    AU détails, cleaned.
     
  4. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    I agree with mDude
     
  5. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Definite swirl marks indicating a polishing on the obverse. Was at one time a nice coin, that was pretty harshly cleaned.
     
  6. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    Dangit. How can you tell it's been cleaned?
     
  7. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Okay, I posted a very large image of the obverse, that I blew up with photoshop--

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    If you look at the fields to the left and right of Liberty, you can see circular swirl marks, indicating a polishing. In addition, there are gouge marks, indicating that there may have been a whizzing or mechanical polishing as well. Surface of the coin is definitely abraded. Look carefully at the fields.
     
  8. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry if I seem dumb here, but what do you mean by swirl mark? I'm still new into buying UNC Morgan's. the other ones I've bought have been graded. I only paid $35 for this one but I was hoping I could use this to see if I'm ready to buy higher priced Morgan's. which obviously I'm not. Any more info would be greatly helpful.
     
  9. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    LCS had it graded as MS. Has luster and everything.

    I do now see the faint lines in the field. I didn't even notice that in the coin shop.
     
  10. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    This is where I see the cleaning "swirl" marks.
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  11. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening


    ME too. Agree completely. Also on Liberty's chin and cheek.
     
  12. rockyyaknow

    rockyyaknow Well-Known Member

    Looks like you paid about $10 too much after being cleaned its really only worth melt especially being a common date.
     
  13. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    I paid $150 for this one:

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  14. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the pictures. I'm a visual learner. Thanks everyone.

    Wish I could even find cleaned Morgan's for $26! They want $29 for culls.
     
  15. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    I'd say it has MS-Details...

    But agree that it's probably been cleaned or over-dipped.
     
  16. rodeoclown

    rodeoclown Dodging Bulls

    Yeah, those nasty gouges really set it back despite the improper cleaning.
     
  17. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna


    [FONT=&amp]If you're going to buy raw 1921 Morgans, be careful with paying premiums unless it is definitely of a high grade. Ch AU and low MS coins often get dumped into the junk category. They are painfully common and the redesign was poorly done, so these are not that popular, at least compared to pre-21. On the bright side, there are many interesting varieties to search out of such things interest you.

    To add to what the others have said about hairlines and/or polishing, it would be wise for you to take the time to learn the difference between die polishing lines and damage from cleaning (hairlines, scratches, etc). There are many 1921's (as well as other types and issues) with heavy die polish/file lines that, to the novice eye, could easily be mistaken for cleaning damage. Not that this is the case with your coin, but if you use it as an example and take the time to compare, it could help to give you a better understanding of what is and what is not mint made.

    Here is a rather extreme example for the OP; cleaning or die polishing?



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  18. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    Looks like its been cleaned to me.
     
  19. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Glad you took a guess. Here is a link for you: http://www.vamworld.com/1921-P+VAM-3AM

    Like I said, this was a rather extreme example and die polishing can be much, much more subtle, so it would be a good thing to learn to identify the differences.

    As I mentioned before, there are lots of varieties (VAMs) for the 21-P, so check out the main list from the above site. Even if such things really do not interest you, taking the time to try and identify your coin will at least be educational and help develop an eye for detail.
     
  20. micro

    micro Member

    I always quetion a silver coin that is to white. Carry this one around whenever you go looking at coins and compare it will become evident as to what is cleaned. When my family goes looking at coins they always go to the shiny white ones......I just snicker at them along with the coin dealer....heehee
     
  21. COINnoisseur

    COINnoisseur Professional Amateur

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    Nice Morgan, Dude. I like the toning.
     
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