So I want to tone a coin....

I had someone give me a bunch of 2x2 manila envelopes for storing coins.

I know that placing a coin in one, leaving it for several years will produce a toned coin.

But, I do have a series of questions.

1. I know this works for silver, but what about copper coins, or nickels?

2. Is there anything one can do to speed this up, without making it come back A/T from the plastic factory?

3. Do all old 2x2 envelopes have sulphur, is there a way to test?

NOTE: I'm not wanting to do this for profit, but I want to take some inexpensive silver coins, and see if they will tone in a nice way.

 

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If you are "not wanting to do this for profit", why care about speeding up the process and what a TPG would deem the coin? Do you really think all of us fools? If you want to know what will happen, take the initiative and find out on your own.

 

I asked the same question recently and got a lot of informative replies...

http://www.cointalk.com/t219450/

 

I have heard that wrapping a coin in a Taco Bell napkin and keeping it stored in a humid place will accelerate toning. I do not eat at Taco Bell so have never tried it. I have had an Ike dollar on a window sill in my home for almost the entire year now and it now has nice golden hue. TC

 

I thought it was a tortilla from Taco Bell - it must be a Taco Bell tortilla - not Del Taco or any other chain. Very important.

 

Be sure to smear some of the Salsa Verde on first.

 

What happen to the other thread from OP....ya know, the one about building a new bullion exchange website? The one I now longer have access to let alone find?

News alert....McD's & BurK's is hiring in Galesburg.

 

Wiped. Completely. No evidence of it ever being here. That might be a good thing, too.

 

True, could take decades too for a more desirable toning to some.

Wait, you just said it takes years and are now basically asking how to tone a coin faster, which basically makes it artificial toning at that point.

Perhaps licking them will tell you.

So why ask about copper coins and nickels?

Sounds to me like someone wants to tone some coins quickly to turn around and sell them for a profit increase.

 

Nope. I just want to introduce factors that will speed up the process, while staying in the bounds of N/T. I'm not talking overnight, but shaving a year off if it takes 5.

 

So, if you're going to change the way a coin would tone naturally, how is it then natural toning when you, are intervening in the process? This is why I don't collect toned coins at all, natural or artificial.

The only time I'd say natural toning is actually natural, it's when someone has a bunch of coins, throws them in storage, pulls them out in a few decades after they were forgotten. They didn't throw them in envelopes that are known to speed up or tone metals nor add anything else to make them tone, they threw them in storage to simply store. That's natural, what you're asking is anything but natural.

 

Artificial toning would be like taking a lighter to a coin, or soaking in certain solutions.

Coins stored in paper envelopes, are considered N/T, and accepted by the TPG. Lot's of toned coins came out of envelopes, for years, lots of collectors used them.

But, there are things you can do to speed it up. The sulphur acting on the metal, is a chemical reaction. All I have to do is to find a way to speed up the chemical reaction.

It's not A/T, because the method (coin in envelope) is considered A/T. Your just speeding up the method.

 

Artificial toning begins with intent. You are trying to AT them Tim.

Just wow. At what point does it stop being AT? 5 seconds? 1 month? 3 years?

You should quit while you're behind.

 

Yes, the ones just stored and not manipulated in other ways to speed up the process.

Thanks for the info Sherlock.

Which is intervening with the natural process if just tucked away and stored. So yet, again, one cannot truly say this is natural since you are manipulating the process to speed it up. It can't get any more clear than that.

Thus making it unnatural.

Can you read the words on this screen? Your basically asking how to create artificial toned coins because you want to manipulate the envelopes used to store them in by adding chemicals and things that are not usually found in such envelopes to speed up the toning process, thus again, making the toning unnatural and artificial.

 

I remember a day several months ago when MrBrklyn had all 5 of the most recent threads on the home page of CT. I just logged on and you, Detecto, were responsible for 3 of the 5. That's the most I've seen by a member since the 5 for 5 I saw, congratulations.

 

This guy gets it. I couldn't agree more.

This guy gets it. I couldn't agree more.

 

Why is that a good thing? If someone is threatening to sue me I would like the evidence still around.

And sue me for what? Last I knew, Feedback on ebay is public knowledge....if you don't want buyers/sellers to read your feedback then get out of the business.

Problem OP? I guess just wipe ALL those feedbacks out & open a new ebay account. Of course, all the positive feedbacks built up on the sweat of your parents long standing work & responsibility will be wiped out..

Don't forget, you are the Ebay police so I guess you shouldn't throw a stink over people knowing what you have bought & sold. It Is Public....

NOW SUE ME.....I responded to one of your threads!!!

 

Scenario 1:

I place 50 coins in envelopes. Stick in cool dry place and don't touch them for 50 years. I pull them out of storage to find them all toned. This is natural since I didn't do anything extra to tone them, it just happened my method of storing them caused toning which I might of wanted or also didn't necessarily intend to do.

Scenario 2:

I place 50 coins in envelopes but then add chemicals and anything else I know that can speed up toning on the type of metal I'm storing. Throw these in a cool dry place in hopes they are all toned in 5 years. This would be a person creating artificially toned coins because they are invoking the toning process and adding elements to speed it up.

So yes Detecto, you are trying to make Artificially Toned coins whether you like it or not and whether any TPG detects it as well and perhaps might pass them as natural. Your so gung ho about stopping counterfeiters but yet your asking how to make counterfeit toned coins.

 

I'm not using chemicals. I've thought of placing the envelopes in the washer and dryer room, where it's hotter, or in the windowsill.

 

Don't give the Chinese any ideas....

I'm not wanting to significantly speed up the time. I'm talking about environmental factors. High humidity/ low humidity, cold room/hot room, sunlight/no sunlight.