People's Court coin dispute!

The problem with that is that the people that enter the courtroom with the plaintiff or defendant are always part of their group. If you watch some more People's Courts it will be pretty clear.

 

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Doesn't add up, the audience is already seated when they do there little intros for the "plaintiff" and "defendant". There was another woman behind the lady in the scooter who went to the front of the court too, just makes sense they were both with Jules. Also, if you look closely at about 12:07 in the video you can see the lady in the scooter following Jules out for the post-interview, only the people involved with the case are allowed out at that time.

 

You have good points. I haven't really watched The Peoples Court since the days of Judge Wapner back when it first started. (I think it was better back then. They treated more with the seriousness of a courtroom and didn't play it up for entertainment.)

 

I was doing a little searching around to see if I could find out if the woman in the wheelchair was his wife and I stumbled upon this:

"Karp was a coin dealer and longtime owner of Jules Karp Coin and Bullion ... Karp is survived by his wife, Mimi; and three daughters, Celia, Kimberly and Arielle."

It is in the August 10 issue of Numismatist. I do not have a subscription, so I cannot see the full article.

 

Hmm well that is too bad whether he was sleazy or not. RIP.

 

As a spectator, she would have been in that area before the case was started. On those court shows, no spectator ever comes in with the litigants.

 

An "Interesting Character"!!

Jules Krap (Oops!!), well known/remembered by those who purchased items from him: http://newyork.citysearch.com/profile/33072522/new_york_ny/jules_karp_coins_bullion_inc.html
I wouldn't want to insult used car salesmen, but that probably would have been a good second career if he could have sold only using ads.

I made numerous calls/follow-up to management of Numismatic publications. I wrote several letters concerning his tactics, but publications apparently enjoyed his ads, and continued his ridiculous offerings.

If you called to order you were rapidly informed of the outdated pricing. I believe he probably was the originator of "market grading", and thus probably his affiliation with PCGS.

However, his offerings, aren't much different than those I've experienced when responding to prominent Collectors Universe advertisers.

It's easy to ridicule: A trusting buyer who has tried all avenues of research to locate an honest seller before purchasing, and receiving analogous sympathy to disbarment attempts of an attorney who violated.

The plaintiff brought what she considered reliable research material, namely "Numismatic trade publications", and layman evidence of value received, by a statement of condition/value from one of the most reputable Numismatic auction houses, and an independent dealer appraisal.

The "Informed" know there currently isn't a "Court Of Justice" for those violated by Sellers of "Collectibles", but we have started a precedential effort by our state Attorney General initiating action against several Numismatic "Dealers", for cause. Initial corrective action legislation is in process.

Very Interesting!! :thumb:

 

So which is worse? That he just let the door swing closed on a woman behind him in a scooter chair? Or that he let it swing closed on his WIFE in the scooter chair behind him?

 

So Jules passed away? How old was he?

Guess he passed in 2010. Found this:
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=775373

 

An alleged 'fax' as there was no company letterhead. She could have printed it up that very morning.........


As for manners regarding swinging doors? The guy wasn't looking. He didn't know anyone was behind him and judging from his attire, he was unaware of the world around him........

 

If you check out that CU link above, you'll notice that apparently he had a reputation for dressing frumpy.

 

I know........

 

One Who Represents Themselves Has A fool For A Client!!

Your Honor, as counsel for Ms. Bellevue, may I address the bench in response to Mr. Green, respected counsel for Mr. Karp who has insinuated a possible fraudulent document, asserting the document is without proper identification, and may have been tampered.

Your Honor, I plead that you find justice in favor of my client who has trusted Mr. Karp et al in the initial purchase, a renown expert in Numismatics, advertising in prominent publications, trusting him to select and establish value for a desirable collectors coin.

I ask that you please view the document in your hand forwarded to Ms. Bellevue by a preeminent Numismatic Auction Firm, having a proper letterhead which you've graciously read to those in attendance, signed and dated by an authorized knowledgeable representative. The document clearly stating the adverse condition of the coin sold my client.

The representative of this prestigious firm attests that the coin has been physically examined by the firm and found to have been altered to an unacceptable state for investment material, which can't be sold by their firm, but only for a relative $800 pittance amount offered after evaluation by a credible secondary Numismatic expert, unavailable, but identified by his written offer on his business card, in your possession.

Neither expert has indicated that the destructive conditions are recent. Mr. Karp, a self-stated expert in Numismatics, having many decades of experience has not established a monetary basis for what appears to have been sold as a treasured item, found to be a relatively worthless piece of metal. Mr. Karp, nor counsel haven't presented an explanation or rebutal to the expert documentation presented by my client. In light of defense counsels only rebuttal of casting aspersions by inaccurate insinuations of fraudulent documentation, I beg that you recognize only the partial $5000 monetary damages requested by my client in exchange for the return of Mr. Karps treasured coin.

Thank you for the respected consideration your honor.
:thumb:

 

The whole idea behind a small claims court is that an attorney is not necessary.

 

I used to see Jules at a local coin show.

His want list included the grade of "ugly" No really!

Noone ever figured out that grade, except that he wanted it cheap.

He only bought cheap, and ugly pieces.

And sold them high.

 

A Believed Misunderstanding!

You are correct that although you may consult an attorney for legal advice on your Small Claims case, an attorney cannot represent you in Small Claims court. There are numerous legal services offering stellar advice for "small claims" efforts.

My understandings may be incorrect, but I believe you'll find that an attorney isn't necessary in virtually all civil actions. I believe, under certain circumstances, even in Federal criminal actions. "Pro Se" pleadings are quite common. I often assist "Pro Bono" to direct individuals in learning the procedures/forms required for disadvantaged individuals who want to represent themselves in a Civil Action. There are entire organizations dedicated to assisting self-representation in family law proceedings. It has been said that "One Who Represents Themselves (without counsel) Has A Fool For A Client!!"

I believe you'll find that for a minimal fee "Small Claims Court" allows a filing without the procedures/forms required in normal litigation. The proceedings are generally less evidentiary, often based on an honor system requiring minimal documentation. The individual presentations are to a Judge who weighs personal representation, rather than that of a trained legal representative, and may adjudicate subjectively.

My "tongue in cheek" posting was merely a hypothetical fictitious response to "Mr Green" who represented Mr. Karp, while defense for Ms. Bellevue was absent. I suspect that in his career as a "Dealer" for many years, it was learned that a standard of ethicacy didn't prevail in these proceedings, and silence/ignorance was best defense. I believe that if the plaintiff had sought competent counsel prior to arraignment, the outcome may have differed. I apologize for any offense realized by reading my retort.

I trust that viewers will accept my defense in the vain intended. :bow:

 

Case in point with that abomination of a Draped Bust Dollar. That gray look doesn't fool too many "seasoned" collectors.

 

I really don't think anyone was offended

 

No offense taken. I wasn't sure of the vein intended. May I now offer my apologies?

 

Did they have to screw him into the ground? :devil: