1889-CC morgan Smart purchase or REALLY BAD one.

After these 4 pages of arguing back and forth, I think it is safe to say that if the coin is proven to be counterfeit, we will never hear from the OP on this subject again.

Honestly, I think the OP made a big mistake buying a potentially valuable coin without having the requisite knowledge or at least the opinion of an expert. I've been collecting Morgans for about 50 years, and even I wouldn't buy an uncertified key date such as this without first having it examined by an expert.

Chris

 

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Just file a civil suit asking for $1 million in damages and settle out of court for $50 and a new car.

Chris

 

Key word is expert. This does not include someone who is knowledgeable and who deals in coins on a daily basis (as the OP said of his companion).

 

I'll tell you what, sometimes you have to ask for an astronomical figure and jump through the legal hoops just to get the small amount you would have settled for to begin with.

 

Exactly! But, I was also thinking about your car situation.

Chris:devil:

 

Agreed! A person who has only a very limited knowledge about coins can talk all day and seem like an expert if his audience knows nothing about coins.

Chris

 

I didn't want to bash the OP's coin, but since he's probably not coming back I will say this. The coin just looks wrong, the reverse and the rim doesn't look right. And the first thing I noticed was that the mintmark looked off, and plus the dent on the obverse rim makes the coin looks like a cast. I could be wrong though.

 

You think thats bad. Try coming up 1000 words crammed onto the bottom of a advertisement in tiny fonts that basically runs in circles.

 

I appreciate the sentiment. I am still looking for a car and hope to have one within a week. Then all my good friends and family can quit taking turns lending me a car.

 

Sounds like fun!

 

I assure you Congress (or politicians in general) runs rings around your prose and they do it daily without even breaking a sweat. And when they really try, ...............

 

Extremely well said. As I have previously mentioned, I have owned 4 authentic 1889CC coins, and have been collecting for over 40 years. ALL of them were certified, and bought from extremely reliable sources. I made sure that it was not a "cloned PCGS" slab, as that is common for that date. I had it looked at by more than one person with equivalent expertise that I have in Morgans to make sure I was not buying a fake, as even slabbed ones have been copied. My latest XF-45 was expensive, and something that I researched considerably, with years of expertise in that coin series. I honestly believe that there is little or no chance that the OP's coin is genuine, or I would not be that adamant. There are much higher quality fakes of the two super valuable dates in the series that would fool many collectors. The coin as pictured is not one of those high quality fakes from the photographs--sorry, but can't say that it is if it obviously isn't.

 

That coin isn't counterfeit - it was sold by Heritage in '09...........?

It even has a pedigree - http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?hdnJumpToLot=1&saleNo=1126&lotNo=1363&x=0&y=0

 

The serial numbers on counterfeit slabs almost always match serials of genuine coins in actual slabs.

 

You are 100% correct. That is not only the same coin, but it is also the same identical picture! The hairlines and glare are absolutely identical.

So, is Morgandude11 accusing Heritage of selling counterfeit coins?

 

Here is an article about counterfeit PCGS slabs.

http://coins.about.com/od/coingrading/ig/Fake-PCGS-Slab-Diagnostics/

 

Yep... the coin Morgandude posted is genuine.

 

True, but that isn't the case with the coin in Morgandude11's post. That coin and the slab in which it is encapsulated are authentic.

 

Rim shot

 

I know nothing about Morgans, but I must opine that $50 is a small price to pay for a definitive answer to this argument. Send the coin to PCGS.