Guess the Grade.... Papal States Lira

(Coin is in an NGC holder)

 

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Au-55

 

Ms 60

 

AU 58 nice coin.

 

Ms63

 

Gut goes with what Sharpgun posted above.........

 

I had a feeling this one was going to be all over the place.

 

Given the luster one can see in the large pictures, particularly around the periphery, I'm going with higher than what anyone else has said here so far. And, that surprises me, as I'm usually a bit of a conservative world coin grader compared to NGC.

I'm going with MS64. I think what looks like possible rub on the hair is actually oddly captured spotting because of poor (diffuse) lighting in the image. The coin is rich with detail on the pope's collar, and the reverse is superb. Pity about those two dark spots. Better images would of course make the grading a bit more accurate.

 

Another shot...,,

 

This is a total guess but, MS-64

 

au-58 is my guess and an uneducated one at that!

 

Great coin! AU58 - it looks like wear on the hair.

 

Certainly. I see the wear on the hair too.

 

I still don't think it's wear, but rather a combination of strange spotting of the coin surface and (no offense waldo) poor image quality. I'm standing by my MS64 grade. Given the "cut your fingers" kind of sharpness in the detail, I just can't see this coin ever having really "circulated" to merit an AU grade.

As an aside, a coin from the USA with this strike quality and luster would be in an MS65 holder all day long. MS64 just seems about right for this one to me for a world coin.

:thumb: It's a very nicely preserved coin.

 

And the winner is.... (drum roll please)....

BRG5658

Agree the pics could be a little better. The give away was the lack of breaks in the field luster. Also, the hair is pretty consistent with other issues struck at the Rome Mint around the same time. The hair on Victorio Emmanuel is typically not fully struck up on Italian issues, though I think the die itself was designed that way, had nothing to do with the actual strike.

 

Do you have a slab shot Waldo? Is it an old fattie? JW...

Nice coin. The luster looks simply stunning! Sorry for ragging on your images.

 

You didn't cheat by looking at the NGC population report I hope? LoL ---nothing below 63 has been graded. My guess is that it was slabbed between 1998 and 2000.

 

Well that last picture doesn't show the "wear!"

Great coin!

 

I did not look at the NGC pop reports. I almost guessed MS65, were it not for the two spots and the slightest weak strike on the hair/cap on the obverse.

Your pics didn't have prongs, but it's not an old fattie. Without seeing the sticker on the back of the slab, I can't be more precise, but it's from somewhere between 1996 to July 2001. There are three different (and non-consecutive) generations of slabs with this front style. If you have a full-width sticker on the back (not just a small squarish sticker) then it's the older style; 1996-97 range.

 

Well then I was pretty close. My guess was based on the submission number on the label. Familiar with long holograph and square holograph, what would be the third type of holder from this mid-generation? I presume fattie is the same as what I call no-line slabs, that is, no line across the white substrate between the label and the coin.