Which of these two crusty Kennedy Halves do you prefer?

If those are MS66, then those are huge premiums for terminal state toning. It is coins like this, and the bidiots who buy them at these prices that cause people to condemn the rainbow toned coin market. Please John, don't be a bidiot, and stay away from dreck like this.

 

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Same here Neither Coin Appeals to me.

 

No worries. You guys have smartened me up a bit.

 

i would say pass on the 2 of them. just don't like the toning on either sides of either coin.

 

Neither here too. I wouldn't even want either one at spot.

 

Paul, I think this is the first time I've ever seen you use the word "bidiot". You must really be serious.

Chris

 

You have to like crust to choose one.

 

You are right Chris. It is extremely rare that I criticize another collector for paying a premium for a toned coin. But we are not talking about a bag toned Morgan Dollar here. We are talking about very common silver coins with extremely unusual toning that is carrying a huge premium. While the toning correspondence on both coins is correct, exactly what caused these two Kennedy's to tone the way that they did? This is not the result of album toning. An album toned coin would not have a peripheral area devoid of toning. Furthermore, album toned coins follow the normal progression of repeating bands of yellow-magenta-cyan. Neither of these two coins display what I would call typical color schemes or progressions for a Kennedy Half Dollar. Take a look at the reverse of the second coin.



So what exactly caused the spotting inside the terminal toning state area? On the rare occasion that I have seen spotting like this on a toned coin, the toning has been artificial. It is my opinion that these coins were created by a gloved hand holding the coin while a foreign substance was applied to the coin to create the toning. I don't have proof of this mind you, but it is my opinion that neither of these two coins are market acceptable and I don't think they belong in PCGS plastic. In my mind, this is what a market acceptable toned Kennedy should look like.



When I see people paying huge premiums for coins that have a multitude of problems like these two coins, they deserve to be called bidiots. I mean really, with a mark on the focal area of the shield and subdued luster due to terminal state toning to have a grade of MS66 is problem number one. Add to it the questionable nature of the very unusual toning and they risk entering the bidiot hall of fame.

 

Dang I sold a 66 that looked nicer than those two for $135.00 a couple of months ago.:foot-mouth:

 

I chose 'A' since 'neither' wasn't an option and Detecto's opinion is irrelevant.

 

I don't see PCGS grading these either. I'd say AT after they were placed in the slab.

 

To my knowledge, there is no way to achieve the toning correspondence exhibited on these coins after they are encapsulated. Perhaps the coins look less suspicious in hand and PCGS thought they were acceptable. I don't know. What I do know is that I wouldn't buy either one with someone else's money.

 

You know, what you said about the fingers of a gloved hand makes perfect sense. That's EXACTLY what the toning patterns look like on both coins. Geez, it's so obvious now that you point it out.

 

B,,, hands down!

 

I saw both of those two in the auction preview and just didn't bother to track either one.

Unless someone steps up to the plate, neither coin will sell. That 64-D, without the mud splashed all over it would have never made an MS66 grade IMO. The hits on the temple area in front of the ear are just to severe.
The same is true of the 64.

Oh Well.

 

I voted Detecto, but I don't believe Tim is in to Kennedy's.

 

I am not saying it is impossible to tone a coin in a slab. I am saying it is impossible to achieve an untoned area with toning correspondence on the obverse/reverse while in a slab. Toning a slabbed coin involves gassing it. How do you propose to make the gas only hit certain parts of the coin?

 

I have a full box of '64 Kennedy's with all sorts of crazy and different types of toning (album, end-roll, dresser-in-basement of a shack in Alabama)... All sent in raw to PCGS, by me. I sent in 21 toned coins, all raw, and only one came back in a body-bag, and it wasn't for 'questionable color' but for 'environmental damage'. So I'd say that your wrong here.

 

They were hoarded by lots of folks that weren't collectors for sentimental reasons, so I imagine they found themselves in just about every conceivable location.