1868 Complete 16-Piece Aluminum Pattern Proof Set, Cent Through Double Eagle !

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  1. Bedford

    Bedford Lackey For Coin Junkies

    Very rarely do you get to see something like this !
    I will be watching this sell for sure -An amazing set of coins, I wish I could place a bid .




    Experimental 1868 Aluminum Proof Set
    Cent Through Double Eagle, 16 Pieces
    Finest of Only Three Sets Known, Ex: Garrett
    1868 Complete 16-Piece Aluminum Pattern Proof Set, Cent Through Double Eagle, PR63-PR67 Cameo NGC. R.8 as a Set. This lot includes a complete 16-piece experimental proof set, illustrating all the denominations minted in 1868, struck in aluminum from regular dies. Also included is the original velvet-lined morocco presentation case that housed the coins when they were produced at the Philadelphia Mint.

    http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=1181&lotNo=6006

    Take a moment to marvel at these pieces.
     

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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

  4. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

  5. LionelR

    LionelR Supporter! Supporter

    That's pretty incredible! Thanks for the news and the photo.
    -L
     
  6. largecent37

    largecent37 Coin Collector

    Awesome set! Thanks for sharing with us.
     
  7. miedbe7

    miedbe7 Wayward Collector

    I'll finance that by returning every single gift I ever received for Christmas or will receive...lol
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I got to examine this set in hand and photograph it some years ago. It is certainly something to see, but the set being intact with original case, to me that is like cherries on top ;)
     
  9. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    That's really interesting.

    On a side note, HA is getting almost $20,000 buyers premium. The owners of these auction houses must feed their dogs sirloin.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    LOL ! If you ever look to find out what the buyer's premium is on anything you buy, anywhere, you will find yourself wishing, praying, begging, that what you are paying was just a fraction as low as what Heritage charges.

    Auction houses have some of the lowest buyer's premiums there is on anything you buy in life.
     
  11. doug444

    doug444 STAMPS and POSTCARDS too!

    I wonder how they kept this set from oxidizing over all these years?
     
  12. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Gotta help 'em keep the lights on. Still, a ponderous sum for folks like you and me.......:)
     
  13. rev1774

    rev1774 Well-Known Member

    Those are absolutely amazing..I wonder where the price will fall eventually... Thanks for sharing!!
    I would love owning them even with the "curse".

    Hope the winner isn't overly superstitious though..

    Quote from the description on Heritage..

    " The 1868 aluminum proof sets have a fascinating but checkered history. In a scenario reminiscent of the curse of the legendary Hope Diamond, grave misfortune befell many of the owners of these coins, including bankruptcy, public disgrace, and early death. At one point in 1887, the U.S. government declared the coins illegal to own, and confiscated and destroyed one of the sets. Thankfully, the government has softened its position on pattern ownership in recent times, and the sets now sell readily, with no official interference. A roster of known 1868 aluminum proof sets is included below."

    :stormy::stormy:




     
  14. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    :thumb:
    Nice set
     
  15. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    WOW.

    That's an amazing set, and it's very cool to realize that this metal was more precious than gold -- more expensive, and certainly far rarer -- at the time these patterns were minted.

    To address doug444's question, aluminum is an extremely reactive metal, and it oxidizes almost instantly on exposure to air. But the oxide coating that forms is transparent, hard, and unreactive, and protects the metal's appearance. That's why aluminum foil retains its shine for so long. As long as you don't expose the surface to acids, alkalis, or certain corrosive salts, it should retain luster for a very long time.
     
  16. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Actually the value at the time was more on par with that of silver.
     
  17. mackwork

    mackwork Caretaker of old coins & currency

    I did some searching, and while the 1868 price of aluminum wasn't quite as high as gold, it would appear to have been much higher than silver at that time.

    Gold
    1868 18.93


    Silver
    1868 1.747


    Aluminum (price NA for in between years)
    1850 17.00
    1868 ? (I assume between 17.00 & 9.00)
    1872 9.00
    1887 8.00
    1888-1894 NA, but price was really dropping)
    1895 0.587
    1896 0.507
    1897 0.390


    Sources (Gold, Aluminum, Silver)
    http://www.nma.org/pdf/gold/his_gold_prices.pdf
    http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/commodity/aluminum/050798.pdf
    http://www.kitco.com/scripts/hist_charts/yearly_graphs.plx
     
  18. mralexanderb

    mralexanderb Coin Collector

    A beautiful set. Just how many were made?

    OK. I checked the HA auction. 3 known sets!
     
  19. costello

    costello Member

    I chose the wrong line of work. I wish someone would've slapped me upside the head in elementary school and got my head in the game.
     
  20. hontonai

    hontonai Registered Contrarian

    Probably 4 - the 3 Heritage knows of and the one that was destroyed.

    Supposedly two were originally made, one for presentation to the British Mint and one for the French; and then another 2 for unspecified purposes.
     
  21. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Holy smokes! That is one cool set.
     
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