If you were to LEGITIMATELY tone a coin...

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by John Anthony, Dec 25, 2012.

  1. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    What are the major concerns/consequences of albums? Most of my sets are housed in Dansco albums, all other coins in hard plastic 2X2s
     
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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Please elaborate. Will Dansco albums damage my coins?
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Will they ? I can't say they "will" for absolutely certain. By they most definitely "can" damage your collection.

    Albums of all kinds have probably damaged more coins than any other single thing. And they have damaged more than a lot of other things combined. That's because there are so many different ways that they can damage your coins.

    You can get slide marks (scratches) on your coins from albums. They can cause very unsightly (ugly and even damaging) toning. They can cause ugly and damaging spots. They can cause scratches from cardboard dust. They can hold unwanted and excess moisture which can do all sorts of things to your coins. Simply putting the coins into or taking them out of albums forces you touch the surface the of the coin - and you should never, ever, touch the surface of a coin with anything ! Albums, of any kind, are about the single worst choice you could ever make for coins.

    Is that enough elaboration for you ?
     
  5. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Yes, thank you. I was not being contentious - I'm sorry if it came across that way.

    Are you suggesting all coins should be in slabs?
     
  6. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    I didnt necessarily infer slabs, or TPG slabs from his statements as the only good storage method. For certain airtites and hard 2X2s would be acceptable as well.

    Thanks for responding to us GDJMSP, you helped answer some of my questions anyway.

    I typically build a nice set (i dont have uber rare or expensive coins) in my Danscos then everything else goes into hard 2X2s (if they fit)

    On a similar note, how do you store something like an 1854 Seated Quarter? It wont fit into a regular quarter hard 2X2 for me, so its in the half dollar hard 2x2 (which i dont think is good since theres lots of room for movement). Same for my half dime. Whats the best method of storage for those? Mylar flips?
     
  7. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Flips are the choice of ancient and older world collectors. None of our stuff fits well in premade holders, so we use flips. Second would be manila envelopes. The envelopes is where a lot of silver coins get retoned.

    Plus, we are crazy and actually like to take coins out and handle them. :)
     
  8. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer


    I keep my tubes of 'junk' silver for my fondling fever :-D when i get the itch. Plus I really really like listening to them 'ting' together. I know I know bad form, but hey theyre worn smooth dimes and well circulated quarters, halves, and dollars. All the good stuff is taken care of. If you cant enjoy your collection and play with your things, whats the use in obtaining them?
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Don't worry, it didn't at all. I took it that you asked an honest question. Just like I asked an honest question at the end of my post ;)

    No, not at all. But there is one type of coin holder that has distinct advantages over all other types of coin holders. That is the hard plastic coin holders. And there are many different kinds of them.

    All other storage methods have their own drawbacks, and some more than 1.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, mylar flips have their problems as well. Coins can acquire what is called flip rub (basically plain old wear) from being stored in them. And they can scratch the coins when you put them into or take them out of the flips.

    As to what to use - those coins will fit just fine into these -

    http://www.jpscorner.com/airtite-ring-type-coin-holders.html

    - and be held securely with no movement whatsoever. And they offer all of the other advantages that hard holders offer.
     
  11. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer


    Im sorry to re-ask this question, but it seems to have been overlooked. What do you do with odd size coins like half dimes and other items that wont fit in normal sized hard plastic holders. My main concern is my 1854 quarter, it was too big for the regular quarter hard holder and way too small for the half holder which is where it is currently sitting. Any suggestions? Does capital make various sized holders to better accommodate odd sized coins?
     
  12. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    And so goes the toned coin market right?

    I mean, some bring big bucks and unless a coin has been toned using chemicals which leave a residue, it then becomes a matter of opinion as to whether or not the toning is natural.

    Some will say they can spot artificial tonings "color progression" right away while others will simply rely upon their "experience" (which could be the result of such "experimentation") while rendering an opinion on the authenticity of the toning.

    My feeling is that toning "subbests" that the coin was collected and stored for years although my "experience" has shown me that sometimes, toning simply does not occur while other times it does.

    I've lived in humid climates and I've live in dry climates. I've stored coins in safes and in closets and in Dansco's.

    To date, none exhibit the classic toning that some "monsters" exhibit. Some are just butt ugly and a lot have ,mild shades of gold or blue.

    Good Luck in your quest John Anthony as the path you are embarking on is a path that most every toned coin collector/dealer has embarked on. Curiosity over what constitutes AT vs NT usually ends up with some type of "discovery" which then elicits and ethical call on what to do.

    One well known dealer in toned coins did some experimentation and ended up selling the pieces, fully disclosing the fact that the coins were AT but selling them none the less. Who knows if the buyers of those coins will be as open in sharing the fact that the pieces were AT?
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yes, I already gave you a link to a holder that will work. The ring type Air-Tites will fit those odd sized coins. But if you don't like Air-Tites, then use these -

    http://www.amosadvantage.com/scotto...find_description=all+products&find_part_desc=

    It is the foam insert in both the Air-Tites and the Coin World holders that accommodates the odd sizes.

    No, their holders are based on standard sizes.

    The reason you are having a problem, the reason your cons don't fit, is because back then things like a precise size (diameter) were not as precise as they are today. For example, the size of a quarter is supposed to be 24.3 mm. But, that size can vary slightly when the planchets are made or when the coin is struck. So some coins may be slightly larger than others. And when they are they won't fit in standard holders. This problem exist with all older coins. many older coins won't fit in albums either, or they fall out because they are too small.

    That is why you use the holders with the foam inserts. The foam will allow slightly larger coins, slightly smaller, or correctly sized coins, to fit. And fit correctly.
     
  14. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer


    How did i miss that original answer when it was right after my question. Geez my eyes are getting bad. I had to double check that you actually responded and sure enough it was right there in black and white. Thanks for taking the time to respond AGAIN cause i sure feel stupid right now.

    Seriously though, thanks for pointing me in the right direction...much appreciated
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No problem, glad to help ;)
     
  16. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Man, once again you are so negative about toned coins. I reiterate, if you don't like them, don't weigh in so heavily against them. Not all toned coins are AT, and not all sellers of same are coin doctors. Those of us who love toned coins tend to be able to tell the difference, and it isn't as black and white as you describe. A little knowledge is, indeed, a dangerous thing. If coins are stored in a humid climate, they can tone very quickly, as Paul said previously about Dansco album coins. I have the complete set of Kennedys and the compete set of Eisenhowers in Dansco albums. They were bought in the past 6 months or so as BU Gem coins and they're already beginning to tone in the humid climate that is Florida--this is nothing intentional on my part, and certainly a natural process. If the air conditioning is off, considerable humidity makes it into my condominium (I turn it off in the Winter, and let fresh air in). Since I am on the Intracoastal Waterway, and two blocks from the beach, there is lots of natural humidity in the air. Hence, naturally toned coins--it would be like leaving the silverware out after having a dinner party, and it would discolor due to humidity.
     
  17. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    I just bought a few of these for my odd sized coins, do you think they are alright for storage or should I have gone with Amos' slabs?

    http://www.jpscorner.com/coin-slabs.html

    Or are they the same thing, ive never used either of these companies.
     
  18. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Well, there would be no issue of ethics for me. If I wanted to sell a coin that had toned in my Dansco album, I would simply state that the coin was toned in my Dansco album over x amount of years. Whether or not somebody wanted it after that would be up to them.

    As a side note, I've noticed that in the Kennedy series, the silver 64's seem to get the most attention from doctors. Even the top TPG-slabbed clad issues with toning don't command large premiums. I've seen quite a few of those auctions go utterly ignored.
     
  19. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    I expect that the primary reason for this is the fact that they are 90% Silver. At the very minimum, its still a $11 coin.
     
  20. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Looks like mrweaseluv and I are the only ones posting photos of toned coins in this thread. These two Washington quarters toned in a Whitman type set folder that was mounted on a basement wall under an incandescent light. The fumes from the furnace room may have had some affects over time. The toning was not done deliberately. It just happened to these two coins & all the others kind-of sort-of remained un-toned.
     

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  21. Paul_62

    Paul_62 Just takin' it one day at a time

    Well, this answers a question I had about a Kennedy collection I've been putting together recently. Right now I have them in 2x2's in plastic sleeves in a 3 ring binder and I was considering getting the Dansco 8166 to put them in. I only have about 5 or 6 holes which I probably will fill in the next few months and I was kind of looking forward to seeing them in an album. Maybe I'll just keep them in the binder for now.

    Thanks for the info...
     
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