MNS Grading Service

OK, I said in another thread I have no respect for this slabber....yet some tried to defend them. This is a "1916 MPL"? Please defend this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-RED-BROWN-DATE-MOTTOS-ERROR-1916-MATTE-PROOF-LINCOLN-CENT-GOOD-COND-/250908777619?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item3a6b541c93

 

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I don't know MNS, but if that's a proof, it's better than G6. lol

 

Another glaring error, it should be PR-6 or PF-6.

 

The close up pics of the chin and mouth actually show pretty clearly that it's a regular circulation strike. You can tell from the wider angle between the lips and concave portion of the chin, as well as the deeper recess in the chin. Almost laughable really, if it wasn't so sad, lol.

 

Guess he couldn't shift it at 5,000 so try again at a grand!!

 

...RB? Lol.

 

b.s.grading services

 

Hmmm - that is bad in my opinion. MNS was just at a show here locally. I saw lots of their holders in several display cases. There was nothing that I collected that I saw in their holders, so I did not try to study some of the coins. Most looked low grade to me. The only good thing I saw was the edge view holders.

 

According to the webpage http://www.pcgs.com/books/breen-proofs/Chapter09-010.aspx which also has a obverse and reverse picture of a 1916 proof cent....

"Cent. [1050] Very rare and seldom offered, though many sharp business strikes have been masquerading as proofs. The finish differs very slightly from that on the 1915 or earlier matte proof cents and as a result authentication is very difficult. In part one must use the broad borders, exceptional sharpness on devices, sharp edges (inner and outer) on raised rims, together with the completely uniform texture which does not resemble mint bloom or frost. Processed coins will not have the sharpness of the genuine. The enlarged illustration may help. Private sale records above $400."

I, myself, don't have the expertise to say one way or the other on the traits of this, but does this really look like it has a broad boarder with exceptional sharpness? I'm not sure I see it. If others could help, I'd appreciate it. Also is it fairly graded at a 6?

 

I'm aware of MMNS but not MNS. That also does not look like the MMNS slabs I have seen. The MMNS stickers I have seen have MMNS on them not MNS. The outer shell though does have MMNS on it. Could this be a tampered with slab shell? I also note that the picture of that slab is NOT in the auction.

 

The slab picture is there, click on the ebay picture and scroll down.

 

MMNS Website - look towards the botton. They are now working with MNS according to the website. This is what confused me at the local show - I was expecting MMNS, but it was MNS. Their same display had the edge view type holders.

 

What a farcep

I saw that posting as well. What a waste. I think he is actually trying to get $1000 for it as well. Check out the others who show a coin slabbed as 70 and then in the fine print they say that what they believe it would grade at if submitted. Right!!

 

Heres some proofs of this coin !

 

They are crap.

 

....and definately not a proof. Just a beat-up, cleaned 1916.....sorry.

 

Conder, same company they just changed the name and moved to florida so they are no longer Michigan Numismasters. They are in my opinion worse than any 3rd rate grading company. They are a joke!

 

Todd you are completely correct with your assessment. They have no business slabbing coins. I pulled a 1914 D out of one that was a fake. My customer wanted it reslabbed at PCGS after they had troubles selling it in the MNS slab. If you can't tell a fake coin from a real one you have ZERO business slabbing coins. Period.

 

1916 matte proof

lets remember, only a little over a 1000 1916 proofs were minted ! I don't think, die got to worn with that many minted ! heres some pictures from pcgs of regular strike 1916 just match up under the lower lip, the regular strike has a triangle
the 1916 proof has an oval under the lower lip :hail::hail:

 

its a win, win :hail: :hail: