Does anyone know....................

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  1. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    ...........when the oldest coin collection was documented in history?

    This comment by John Anthony in another thread made me wonder.

    Chris
     
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  3. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    What do you mean by documented? Are you talking of proving provenance or guaranteeing all bought for that collection are genuine coins? Or are you wondering about the grading aspect?
     
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  4. cpm9ball

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    Kasia, it has nothing to do with any of those things. When was the first coin collection documented in history?

    Chris
     
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  5. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Yeah, I'm sorry I don't have any documentation to back that up. I just remember reading somewhere, sometime, that it was the "hobby of kings", dating back to ancient times.
     
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  6. cpm9ball

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    I'm not asking you to "prove" your comment. It just made me curious because I don't recall ever having or reading of this in any discussion.

    Chris
     
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  7. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    Well, I was quick searching google books to see, and one that was published in 1825 talks about a late Mr Rich's collection being purchased for the British Museum and another portion talks of the King of Sweden's collection. So that would be a good starting place.
     
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  8. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    Pierre Eugene Du Simitiere has been titled " Founding Father Of American Numismatics". Though he died a pauper, his collection was the finest assembled in the day. Many pieces in this collection came from a kindred spirit, John Smith of Burlington, New Jersey. The Collection sold at auction on Oct 30, 1800. For further reading , pickup a copy of " The Eagle that is Forgotten" by Dr. Joel J. Orosz.
     
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  9. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Wikipedia uses Caesar Augustus as evidence for ancient coin collectors.
     
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  10. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Seutonius notes that Caesar gave out old coins, but I'm not sure if that quite counts. Petrarch is the first modern coin collector. The oldest certain pedigree is to the Gonzaga collection: http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=202135
     
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Chris - coin collecting has truly been with us for a long, long, long, time. And yes it is documented. There are a great many books and papers written on coin collections, and when I say written I mean written by hand because that was the only form of writing there was. And these books and papers are 100% about about coin collections and no other subject. And there are far older documents where coin collecting is merely mentioned at some point.

    Now I can't give you exact dates for these documents because I have not studied them sufficiently to be able to do that off the top of my head. But to give you some kind of idea I can tell you this. Coin collecting was so important centuries ago that one of the first printed books, was a book about a coin collection. It was commissioned and published in 1511 by Margarethe Peutinger, complete with images of the coins. At least 1 copy of this book still survives today. It was sold at auction a few years ago.

    Now just imagine, what does that tell you ? The very first printed book was the Bible in 1453. But here we have the people of the time expending the effort to write the book to begin with, and then spending the money to have that book actually printed, complete with pictures of the coins. In other words, the level of importance of coin collecting was such that it surpassed many, many other subjects thought to be important to mankind.

    I don't know about you, but that has always just astounded me !

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    To add to this, the first documented coin auction, was held in 1598 in Leiden, Netherlands.
     
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  12. cpm9ball

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    Thanks, Doug!

    Chris
     
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  13. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    Here is part of a page from a book printed in 1553 and has listings with some illustrations of numerous ancient coins. The book has more than 300 pages and this seems to be focused totally on numismatics (coinage).
     

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  14. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Did you buy anything? :)
     
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  15. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    I could see that one comin' a mile off.........:)
     
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  16. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    He organized the sale!
     
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  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Gonna getcha for that ! :D
     
    GDJMSP, Dec 20, 2012
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  18. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    :welcome:
     

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  19. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Lovin' the 'Lone Ranger' kitty avatar Kasia.........:)
     
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  20. ddoomm1

    ddoomm1 keep on running

    I believe I remember our AP World teacher telling us that the first state to make some sort of silver/gold coins was Lydia, which after a quick search existed from 1200-500BC
     
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  21. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    What most people don't realize is that Chinese coins have been collecting since at least the Han dynasty (221 BC-AD 200). The earliest Chinese coin reference was printed in the Song dynasty in the 11th century, and that cites a much earlier work, written in the 2nd century AD, but now lost.
     
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