Coin - a counter?

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Comment historian Bundesarhiva - stamped on the coins had the right to ask only the occupation administration.
German veteran Comment (5 years ago) - Issued to the commanders of battalions, for distribution among the local population
M43 - 43rd year of the sample
WB Wehrmacht Befehlshaber (Commander of the Armed Forces)
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3812

Z M - Zahlungsmittel, Zeitmarke, Zeitmark

 

Sorry for the bad translation Google

Request was made in Bundesarhiv.

Studies of the occupation administration in Belarus showed that the records associated with these coins - not detected.


Comment from the source Bundesarhiva http://www.bundesarchiv.de/index.html.de
A common problem in the German military history, the study records, the losses incurred during the war, documents destroyed during the fighting. In some aspects / periods of records lost or in part.


RESEARCH REPORT

record group RH 22 Befehlshaber rückwärtiges Heeresgebiet Mitte

RH 22/224 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB 21.3.-31.8.41.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/225 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB 1.9.-31.12.41.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/226 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB 1.7.-31.12.41.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/227 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB Juli-Dez. 41.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/228 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB April-Dez. 41.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/229 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia KTB Nr. 2 1.1.-30.6.42.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/230 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB 1.1.-31.3.42.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/231 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB 1.4.-29.6.42.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/232 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia KTB 1.7.-31.12.42.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/233 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB 1.7.-30.10.42.

RH 22/234 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB Okt. 42.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/235 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB Nov.-Dez. 42.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/236 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Ia Anl. z. KTB Juli-Dez. 42.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/247 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Qu KTB mit Anl. Nr. 1 15.5.-31.12.41.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/248 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Qu KTB mit Anl. Nr. 2 1.1.-30.6.42.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/249 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte Qu KTB mit Anl. Nr. 3 1.7.-31.12.42.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/215 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte MilVerw. Abschlussbericht Teil 1.

Negative. Incl. no data re money etc.

RH 22/298 Bef. rückw. Heeresgeb. Mitte MilVerw. Abschlussbericht Teil 2.

Negative. Incl. a chapter about financial administration and tax but no information about any kind of occupation money etc.

record group RW 41 Wehrmachtbefehlshaber Ostland

RW 41/79 WBOstland Ia Festlegung der Sicherheitsbereiche sowie Einrichtung von Wehrmacht- und Standortkommandanturenim Gebiet des Wehrmachtbefehlshabers Ostland Sept. 41.

Negative.

RW 41/49 WBOstland Ia Tätigkeitsbericht 16.7.-10.8.44.

Enthält u.a.:

Ausbau des Brückenkopfes Riga

Einsatz der Kommandanturen im Bereich Wehrmachtbefehlshaber Ostland

Stellenbesetzung des taktischen Führungsstabes unter Generalleutnant John

Befehl zur Herauslösung des Stabes Wehrmachtbefehlshaber Ostland und Aufteilung zwischen Armeeoberkommando 16 und 18

Übersicht der unterstellten Einheiten und Dienststellen

Monatsberichte Nr. 35 und 36, Juni - 8. Aug. 1944

Meldungen und Gefechtsberichte unterstellter Einheiten

Einsatzbefehle der Heeresgruppe Nord 1944

Negative.

RW 41/54 WBOstland Qu Besondere Anordnungen Nr. 1 – 43 4.1.-23.6.44.

Negative.

RW 41/55 WBOstland Int. 1.4.44 Sammlungen von Verfügungen des Wehrmachtbefehlshabers Ostland auf dem Gebiet der Verwaltung

Negative. Compedium of basic administrative orders regarding money, money transfer, currency regulations, prices. Payment with Rubel in the occupied Russian territory obligatory. No reference to special marking of coins, money etc.

record group RW 41 Wehrmachtsbefehlshaber Weißruthenien (former Stab „Kommandierender General der Sicherungstruppen und Befehlshaber im Heeresgebiet Mitte“. Became „Kommandierender General der Sicherungstruppen und Befehlshaber in Weißruthenien“ under command of Wehrmachtbefehlshaber Ostland. „Wehrmachtbefehlshaber Weißruthenien“ since 18.4.1944

RW 41/58 WBWeißruthenien Ia Kriegstagebuch Nr. 6 1.1.-30.6.44.

Negative.

RW 41/60 WBWeißruthenien Ia Anl. z. KTB Nr. 1-99 1.1.-10.2.44.

Negative. Misc.

RW 41/59a WBWeißruthenien Ia Anl. z. KTB Nr. 100 – 351 11.2.-30.6.44.

Enthält:

Umgliederungen der Verbände

Auflösung von Kommandanturen

Verteiler

Einsatz von Kontrollkommisionen

Lage bei Heeresgruppe Mitte

Einsatzübersichten der Kommandanturen und Sicherungskräfte

Führerbefehl Nr. 11 "Feste Plätze"

Korpsbefehle

Verwaltungskarte

Polnische „Bandenbewegung“

„Aktivierung des Bandenkampfes“

Negative.

RW 41/59b WBWeißruthenien Ia Anl. z. KTB Nr. 100 – 351 11.2.-30.6.44.

Enthält:

Umgliederungen der Verbände

Auflösung von Kommandanturen

Verteiler

Einsatz von Kontrollkommisionen

Lage bei Heeresgruppe Mitte

Einsatzübersichten der Kommandanturen und Sicherungskräfte

Führerbefehl Nr. 11 "Feste Plätze"

Korpsbefehle

Verwaltungskarte

Polnische „Bandenbewegung“

„Aktivierung des Bandenkampfes“

Negative.

RW 41/61 WBWeißruthenien Ia Tagesmeldungen unterstellter Einheiten 1.1.-30.6.44.

Negative. Incl. reports on Partisan activties only.

RW 41/63 WBWeißruthenien Ia Kriegstagebuch Nr. 7 1.7.-13.11.44.

Enthält:

Vorgesetzte Dienststellen: 1. Juli - 10. Juli 1944 Heeresgruppe Mitte

11. Juli - 13. Nov. 1944 Panzer Armeeoberkommando 3

Negative.

RW 41/64 WBWeißruthenien Ia Anlagen zum Kriegstagebuch Nr. 7 4.7.-16.9.44.

Enthält:

Sammlung von Versprengten

Kriegsgliederung

Übernahme der Befehlsführung im Raume Kurland

Übernahme der Aufgaben des Korück 590 mit Unterstellung der territorialen Dienststellen in Ostpreußen

Einsatz der Kommandanturen und Bereichsgrenzen

Einsatzübersicht der Kommandanturen und Bereichsgrenzen in Kurland

Negative.

RW 41/66 WBWeißruthenien Ia Berichte April 44.

Enthält:

Monatsberichte für April 1944 mit Einsatzkarte der unterstellten Verbände

Kriegsgliederungen

Tätigkeitsberichte

Negative.

RW 41/69 WBWeißruthenien Qu Kriegstagebuch Nr. 6 mit Anlagen 1.1.-30.6.44.

Enthält:

Stammlager 352 Minsk

Personelle Einsparungen

Kriegsgliederungen der Versorgungstruppen

Einsatz der 12./ Sicherungsregiment 51

Monatsberichte der Abteilungen

Negative.

RW 41/72 WBWeißruthenien Qu Kriegstagebuch Nr. 7 mit Anlagen 1.7.-13.7.44.

Enthält:

Geschäftseinteilung

Besondere Anordnungen für die Versorgung

Tätigkeitsberichte

Negative.

RW 41/70 WBWeißruthenien Qu Anl. z. KTB Bd. 1: 1. Jan. - 31. Mai 1944

Enthält:

Übersicht über Zug- und Waggongestellungen

Negative.

RW 41/71 WBWeißruthenien Qu Anl. z. KTB Bd. 2: 1. Jan. - 31. Mai 1944

Enthält:

Aufstellungen über zu zerstörende Objekte bei den Feldkommandantur 660, 812, 184, Wehrmachtskommandantur Minsk, Oberfeldkommandantur 400

Negative.

record group RW 31 Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206

RW 31/791Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 1. Vierteljahr 1942.

Negative.

RW 31/792Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 2. Vierteljahr 1942.

Negative.

RW 31/793Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 3. Vierteljahr 1942.

Negative.

RW 31/794Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 4. Vierteljahr 1942.

Negative.

RW 31/795Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 1. Vierteljahr 1943.

Negative.

RW 31/796Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 2. Vierteljahr 1943.

Negative.

RW 31/797Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 3. Vierteljahr 1943. Bd. 1: 1943-1943.

Negative.

RW 31/798Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 3. Vierteljahr 1943. Bd. 2: 1943-1943.

Negative.

RW 31/799Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, 1. Okt. 1943 - 9. Jan. 1944.

Negative.

RW 31/807Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, Außenstelle 49, 26. Febr. - 31. März 1943.

Negative.

RW 31/808Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch, Außenstelle 49, 30. Aug. 3. Dez. 1941.

Negative.

RW 31/956Wi Kdo Witebsk bzw. Wi Kdo 206 Kriegstagebuch Außenstelle Newel, 6. Aug. - 31. Okt. 1941.

Negative.

record group RHD 72 Kommandanten rückw. Armee- u. Heeresgebiete (official prints)

Negative. No prints re Russia/money etc.

record group RWD 17 OKW Wehrwirtschafts- u. Rüstungsstab (official prints)

Negative. No prints re Russia/money etc.

record group RWD 24 Territoriale Befehlshaber in der SU (official prints)

RWD 24/1 Verordnungsblatt des Wehrmachtsbefehlshaber Ostland Nr. 1-30 1941-44.

Negative.

..........record group RH 49 Einrichtungen des Kriegsgefangenenwesens

Checked finding aid online. In the finding aid are references to foreign money confiscated from POWs but nothing about special camp money etc.

..........record group R 6 Reichsministerium für die besetzten Ostgebiete (records at BA Berlin)

Checked online finding aid online. Includes no references to money, coins, Rubel etc.

..........record group R 93 Generalkommissar für Weißruthenien in Minsk
1941-1945 (records at BA Berlin)

Checked online finding aid online. Includes no references to money, coins, Rubel etc.

..........record group R 90 Reichskommissar für das Ostland 1941-1945 (records at BA Berlin)

Checked online finding aid online. Includes no references to money, coins, Rubel etc.

..........record group R 91 Gebietskommissar im Geschäftsbereich des Reichskommissars für das Ostland 1941-1945 (records at BA Berlin)

Checked online finding aid online. Includes no references to money, coins, Rubel etc.

MSG 2/10249 Fotoalbum Ost- und Westfront 1939 – 1943.

Enthält auch:

verschiedene Flugblätter

Besatzungsgeld

Negative. Incl. 2 Rubel notes without NS-signs.

RW 19/913 OKW/Wehrwirtschafts- und Rüstungsamt Maßnahmen der Reichsverteidigung 1941.

Enthält:

Prägung von Münzen und Druck von Rentenbankscheinen

(Aufstellung), 25. Apr. 1941

Vorläufige Abschlußzahlen für die im Osten 1941

angefallene Luftwaffenbeute (Schaublatt), Dez. 1941

Negative.

 

Despite the fact that the documents in the archives have not yet been found, I insist on a version of the document, this was written, the source of the Bundesarhiva.

Imagining the coins in the occupied territory, it is necessary to understand who could pick up and use a coin in the occupied territories.
It may be just what you category of people from the Soviet collaborators working in the occupied territories to Germany voluntarily (spies, informers, informants, etc.)

My guess is that this coin - the document has confirmed a German dealer, Alfred Beck http://www.beck-militaria.de/, a few months ago, explaining that this document does not say what kind of document.

A comment from one of Russian forums.
Story of a German veteran of five years ago, that the coins spread the battalion commanders, among the local population - does not contradict the version of the one who wanted to, he took ...

A comment from one of Russian forums forums.
Such a stigma, seen on a coin, even in 199 × g for 15 kopecks in his youth did not show any interest.

The coin, marked abbreviation, as it is today and the driver's license or insurance certificate, there is a name that makes sense, there is a print, and expiry date. At 4 shared coins have it all in acronyms, and understanding the meanings of the stigma of one character to another.

One symbol, emblem of the Soviet Union, destroyed another symbol, an eagle with a swastika.
One explanation - the current, a Soviet officer, acting at the same time, a German, a voluntary worker, etc.
M43 - 43rd year of the sample document.
WB Wehrmacht Befehlshaber (Commander of the Armed Forces) - who have been issued at the last stage, the unit commander http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3812
It does not matter that some documents can not see the M4, those who need, and so aware of them, the most important figure is screwed into the stamp, which put the year of issue and validity of the document (temporary one year).
At number 3 on the outer edges, visible angular shape hexagon, the year of issue and validity of the document.
I suppose that number 3 is carved on the hexagon which is screwed into the stamp.
No. 4, is far from the number 3, the distance between the digits, allows using a key or other tool, it is easy to replace, the figure of the stamp on the desired year, could be placed over the years of occupation numbers 1-2-3-4.
ZM - Zeitmarke, Zeitmark - namely, a temporary document, which was valid for one year of issuance.

The coins were dug up in Belarus, a small heap, one man with a metal detector, about 3 years ago ...
All sold out, but perhaps, in his several thousand coins still exist, as these two ...

Coins from the M43 WB - are worn, there are traces of use, the stigma of an eagle and the letters on the reverse of the outer edges are smoothed over a coin hanging in the pocket throughout the year, among his own kind of 20-30, where she very well could hide, well is sometimes used for other purposes.
Coins from the M43 WB, having fulfilled his own, were returned to former owners, their commander unit - WB Wehrmacht Befehlshaber (Commander of the Armed Forces), which they gave the new M44 year.
The old, 43 years old, lay with the new documents, forms, blanks with the seal of an eagle.
In issuing the document, left, only to put a stamp of release ...

The coins with one eagle, well see that the edge of the stigma of characters do not have the marks of use, wear, like a coin with the M43 WB.

Blanks, blank stamped for new documents were in one place with the old, the sample 43 years old, used documents.

 

Comment from the source Bundesarhiva.

[FONT=&amp]If the coins were Abwehr business (espionage etc.) record group[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]RW 49 Nachgeordnete Dienststellen und Einheiten des OKW/ Amtes Ausland / Abwehr[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]would be interesting. The RG includes the surviving records of Abwehr units in Russia but it’s only a small rest of what existed originally. [/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Checked the finding aid. The record titles do not refer to identity discs (but this was not to expect because the finding aid titles are quite general). But to check all Russia records would take plenty of time and the chance for success is very small. [/FONT][FONT=&amp]That’s why I can not recommend research.

[/FONT]
Possibly the coins were issued by a local commander or secret service officer. That means they could have been only of local use. Then there is no chance to find information because of small units and local commanders no records survived.


Often I saw forms and orders for identity cards for militias and collaborators but saw nothing about secret identity discs for Russians. But the existence of identity cards does not automatically exlude identity discs.

But most of the records of the secret service units are lost. The records in RW 49 are only a small rest. That means the chance that we can find docs in the Abwehr records is very small. Notwithstanding cheching the files would need plenty of time. That means the research will be expensive and the chance for success is very small.


[FONT=&amp]But so many unauthorized things happend that it makes no sense to say: Impossible.[/FONT]

 

In the story, there is a coin with nadchekanami, in the occupied territories ... AK Markov refers to the time they Countermark Persian campaign of Peter I, to the activities of Russian occupation authorities to regulate currency circulation in the occupied regions of Gilan and Mazendaran. Both monety1, which made Countermark, A. Markov, believed issued in Isfahan, one in the 1131's. (1718-1719 gg.), Another in the 1138's. (1725 - 1726 gg.) (Table I, 7, 10). Later in the Hermitage received the third copy Counterstamped coins (Table I, 8), which, according to AK Markova, released in Gandzhe2. http://vsemonetki.ru/books/item/f00/s00/z0000018/st014.shtml

In order to find out who did it ... looking at these nadchekany, you will never forget about who were the people who made nadchekan, they were not numismatists, and religious people who believed in what they do, and that God helps them in these matters ...

Since this version has not heard, I will express it ...
The knowledge gained about the coins, the use of coins in ancient Rome, in order to spy on the occupied territories, Peter I have been put into practice ...
In the case of complete replacement of the coins in the occupied territories to coin nadchekanami, this area was automatically, under full control of security forces.
Spy, it was enough to provide the necessary knowledge to use with a coin.
The official explanation for the public, government action in their interests to be declared, but the essence was different ...
My opinion is that in many ways, for security in the occupied territory, it was this nadchekan.

 

[FONT=&quot]The very essence of[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]nadchekana[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]was[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]a mystery[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]to people[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]in the occupied[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]territories of[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ancient Rome[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the current[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]version[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]of the[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]nadchekanah[/FONT][FONT=&quot], [/FONT][FONT=&quot]on coins[/FONT][FONT=&quot], I want to [/FONT][FONT=&quot]make a[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]significant addition[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Romans[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]were among the[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]first to use[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]these coins[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]for safety[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and use[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]of coins,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ruled[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the occupied territories.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Using[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ancient and[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]secret knowledge[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]of Roman[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]priests[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]of Rome[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]...[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]spies[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]were everywhere[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]...[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The ancient[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]pagan[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]rite,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]nadchekanom[/FONT][FONT=&quot], [/FONT][FONT=&quot]destroyed[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]images[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]on coins.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Romans and[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the Orthodox,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]differently[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]interpreted[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]his[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]nadchekany[/FONT][FONT=&quot], because [/FONT][FONT=&quot]they are different[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]religions,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and, accordingly[/FONT][FONT=&quot], different [/FONT][FONT=&quot]images[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]on the coins and[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]nadchekanah[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the very essence of[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]nadchekana[/FONT][FONT=&quot], the use of [/FONT][FONT=&quot]secret knowledge[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]with the coin[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]in the occupied territories[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]remained unchanged[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]...[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Nadchekany[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Roman legions[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Nadchekan[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Tenth Legion[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Fretenzis"[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Countermark of the Legio X Fretensis[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]802[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]10th[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]legion[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]v1[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Nadchekan[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Tenth Legion[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Fretenzis"[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Countermark of the Legio X Fretensis[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]806[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]10th[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]legion[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]v1[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]http://www.judaea.ru/catalog/nadchekany ...[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]_legionov /[/FONT]

 

Continue ...

It is well known that the archaeological excavations carried out in all the occupied countries, and around the world in search of artifacts.

Conducting virtual excavation, we can see what the coins were the subject of their investigation.
In occupied Poland and Ukraine, could be investigated these coins ...

 

S.C. The sign on the coin «Senatus Consultus» («By order of the Senate")


I want to draw attention to the fact that the manufacture of such coins in different countries, has always been a special decree of the Senate.

 

Due to the fact that in today's Russia, can not find the answer to questions about the subject.
I declare the reward to anyone who helps uncover the truth.
This may be a few people.
Remuneration will, who will find a person who can tell the truth.
It may be, German veteran, or our former compatriots, who have fought against communism on the German side.
Or perhaps their descendants ... who can shed some light on this ...
The reward will be paid to them.

This will depend, at what price, selling coins at auction.

In the near future, 1 coin will be sold at auction in Russia.

 

edited

 

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/abb.html

SC was used in the Roman Republic to mean that the metal was provided by the Senate and in the early Empire to show that the Senate authorized the issue (usually bronzes but there are some silvers and a few gold). I missed the fact on how this SC mention and photo relates to this tread on countermarks.

 

It doesn't, but you know how threads take off on tangents.

Thanks for the info, always appreciated.

 

Omnivorous in case that you want to inquire further information, Mr. Guy M.Y.Ph. Franquinet is an expert on German small denominations. You can contact him through his website: http://www.franquinet.de

 

To me, this fact is very interesting because, coins SC, is very similar, made ​​in the form of the sign.
On my coins, I see interpreted in their own way, with scenes of ancient coins and

 

Thank you very much, I'll try to contact Mr. Guy M.Y.Ph. Franyauinet.
I would be very grateful if you would have learned how to communicate with Detlev Niemann. But he went out of business, I can not contact him.

 

A coin from the first post in this thread, for further research, transferred to the State Historical Museum ...

 

All the good time ...

Continuing research ....

Found in the network, these things ...

The so-called - tools to fight

 

Perhaps further description of the topic, it may cause some people some confusion, but these facts are there ...
These facts are mentioned in one of the posts, they are now subject to more detailed research ...

Hitler and his helpers around the world, collecting ancient texts, and any occult and mystical information that would help them gain world domination.
In the mid-30s of the 20th century, Germany.
Not so long ago, came to power, Adolf Hitler, almost the entire nation, under the authority of his charisma.
The whole country, imbued with esoteric teachings and supernatural knowledge.
Reich by all means, try to get the sacred knowledge of the subtle world.
Hitler and his entourage was steeped in mysticism, and from it drew strength and inspiration.
They were convinced that it was the mystical knowledge has helped them come to power.
The next stage of which, was to be, capture the whole world.

Occultism and mysticism in the same years, had a strong influence on the leaders of Soviet Russia, the first country to proclaim his ideology of materialism.

Were the mystic circles in Russia? Definitely have to answer, yes were.
Definitely need to answer that occult calving Cheka, it was, and there is now.

Circle of questions in confidential laboratories: from the invention of means for espionage, before research of solar activity, terrestrial magnetism and carrying out of scientific expeditions.
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All the facts point to the fact that these coins, developed by the Institute Ahnenerbe ...


The most unusual, the official institute Ahnenerbe Nazi Germany ... ...
This organization is the only one in history to learn magic and mysticism at the state level and the state money. And made in the development of the magical technologies incredible results.

Alexander Barchenko believed that ancient civilizations possessed the secret of splitting the atom, unknown sources of energy, and the means of psychotronic influence on people.
He was sure of this information kept in encrypted form, so they can find and decipher.

It is believed that Stalin had repeatedly tried to join to the ancient sacred knowledge of northern peoples.

The fact that Stalin had read a lot, and trying to understand not only the real world, but also mystical, yes, it is an established fact.

Source. http://videosoc.ru/video/VxWJqkDpdi...go-rejha-23/