New Kennedy half DDO?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by AUtiger, Dec 3, 2012.

  1. AUtiger

    AUtiger New Member

    Hey y'all I don't post much, but I frequently read through the threads to gain knowledge as I am still fairly new to coin collecting as a serious hobby. I've been roll searching half dollars for about a year now, I started just picking out silver, proofs, and NIFC's, but as I learn more about different errors and varieties I keep an eye out for them as well. I have found a handful of halves from 1992-2001 that have this doubling on Kennedy's profile that doesn't look the same as the flat, shelf-like machine doubling that I see all the time. To me these closely resemble the various 1966 DDO's that are listed in the CPG, but there aren't any DDO's listed for these dates in the CONECA master listings. I'd appreciate your thoughts on these whether they're DDO's or not, thanks!


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  3. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    I do not see anything other than mechanical doubling.
     
  4. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I'll second the MD analysis.
     
  5. AUtiger

    AUtiger New Member

    What about the raised clash marks under the ear and jawline? These marks look very similar to a talon-head on an Ike.
     
  6. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Your photos aren't the best, but I don't see any clash marks in those areas. Besides, it would be quite improbable because those areas on the die are fairly deep-set and a clash of such severity to cause them would likely shatter the die(s).

    Chris
     
  7. atrox001

    atrox001 Senior Member

    I agree with the other posts...the doubling on the profile of your half dollar looks like MDD (Machine Damaged Doubling), very common on 90’s BS (Business Strikes). See attached photo of a doubled profile for a 1966 half dollar and compare it to yours.

    I blew up your 1st photo and I think you can see clash marks under the ear.

    Larry Nienaber
     

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  8. AUtiger

    AUtiger New Member

    I suspected it was just MD, so thanks to everyone for confirming that. The clash marks are certainly there, but it was tough to get the lighting angle right for them to show up. The clash marks match up with the incuse areas between the rays around the eagle's head (which would be at field level on the die). This is a similar situation as the "Talon Head" clash on an Ike dollar.



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  9. AUtiger

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  10. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    The talon Head on the IKE is only because that area between the Eagles claws on the reverse is wya deeper than the fields of the reverse. As such, it sticks up like Mt Everest on the die and makes a gouge in the obverse die when the two meet in a clash.

    Nothing on a Kennedy has those same traits.

    As a matter of fact, when the Kennedy Dies clash, you get what looks like bunting along the field in front of the jaw, the jaw line and field behind the hair.

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    Looking closer at your pictures, I can see evidence of the clash but still no doubling.
     
  11. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    If the clash was strong enough to clash along the jaw, then why isn't there any evidence of the rays at the base of the neck?

    Chris
     

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  12. atrox001

    atrox001 Senior Member

    At some point some of the clash marks may have been polished from the die.

    Larry Nienaber
     
  13. AUtiger

    AUtiger New Member

    If you look behind the eye at the edge of the hairline, you can also see the clash of the area between the eagle's wing and leg. I have examples all all the Ike die clash varieties and I've found Kennedy die clashes that show the eagle's wing tips and rays, but these are a first for me. I suspect it has something to do with the change to the low relief dies in 1992, which would make the obverse die much shallower and more prone to clashing.
     
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