Anyone collect hammered coins?

Just started collecting and have had an immediate interest in the hammered coins.........

I have 8 decent ones so far.......

Im collecting any i can find......not just english or anything.
Theyre all so cool

 

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Welcome to the crazy world of hammered coins!

I'm getting more interested in them by the day, i will get a French one, one day!

 

Maybe someone can tell me if this one is hammered........ive looked around a bit but cant find much about it.
Im tempted to add it to my hammered collection, but not sure yet.........

Im thinking its hammered because of the age and also the obverse seems to be very poorly struck unlike the reverse which is very strong.

I cant wait till I have more experience with all this.

 

That one is milled, look at the beading type effect going around the edge, hammered coins tend not to have this (although it's not always the case), the difference being that hammered coins were beaded as part of the design, milled are beaded/toothed because of the collar.

It takes time to tell the difference.

 

thanks for the help.
Now Im having doubts about the coin shop who sold me this next one......it was sold as hammered.........so please tell me it is.....:-D
I have a few that i have seen on differnt sites as hammered.......but this one and the french one before I cant confirm it anywhere so far.
The french Ecu, I couldnt tell, but the saxony one was just outright sold as hammered.......at that point in time when I bought it, I wasnt really even sure what a ''hammered'' coin was :-D

This coin shop has severly over graded most of the coins Ive bought, so Im assuming either deception or too much trust in a new employees abilities :-D

 

That definately hammered.

What grade did they sell it as, the hole is a killer in itself. Holes alway knock off value, and i may also be tempted to think it's been clipped.

 

Thanks:-D

well, the guy pulls it out for me to look at as it wasnt on my buy list when i went in....
I told him German States so he tought i might like it.
To his credit he did point out the hole.........and actually, it was this coin that got me interested in holed coins to begin with.......something about that like really gives it personality for me......like the dings in antiques :-D

He gave it to me for about $20 instead of the $60 Im seeing it listed for in other places.........not sure if thats the actaul value unholed but I really liked it so it was worth it for me.

What is ''clipped''........im still learning all these terms.....

thanks so much for the help......
I dont have anyone around me to teach me all this stuff and the only coin shop where i live is a coin/gun shop and the sweet old man who runs it kinda drifts when your talkin to him so I usually end up just letting him talk and not really getting much useful info.

Most of what Ive bought so far has been from Allens Coins in Ohio...
its a drive up there......but i make up a list and emial it to them and they pull them and have them waiting for me at the counter........

 

Well $20 doesn't sound too bad to me, sounds pretty decent actually.

Actrually on second thoughts your coin might just be chipped not clipped.

Chipped is where you have bits missing from the edge, usually due to it being dropped or accidental damage.

Clipped on the other hand is not accidental. One reason for bringing in milled coins was to end the practice of clipping.

Back in the days when coins were worth their weight in gold or silver, merchants used to weigh the coins to make sure they were of the correct weight for that denomination.

Some unscrupulous people though realised you could make a profit by clipping or shearing tiny slithers of silver from the edge of the coin, and then passing the under weight coin on. If you did this with every coin you acquired in change, you'd soon gather up quite a bit of silver, and then you'd sell it to a silversmith.

It was very illegal to do this, and you risked severe punishment if caught, but people did it. Milled coins made it impossible to do this because there was (usually, not always the case though) milling/reeding on the edge of the coin, and of course the toothed border.

What happened then is instead of clipping coins they started filing coins, (this is where guinea filers come in), they'd get a gold guinea (a milled coin) and they'd file a moderate amount of gold off of it all way around, and then they'd put the milling back on (as it was basic sideways sloping reeds, it didn't prove too difficult).

Just goes to show you can't stop profit hungry people.

 

Thanks agian
you know.......i think Ive learned more interersting history since i started collecting than ever in school.....

Something else thats kinda of neat is I have a disorder called Porphyria and it appears George III had it too given his symptoms.......

I have a few coins with him on them ........

Maybe its a ridiculous reason to like the coins with Georgey boy on them........but for some reason I have a fascination with them.

I guess we all collect differnt things for differnt reasons..

 

Yes George III did indeed have Porphyria. (i think Queen Victoria might have too, and possibly Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany)

Yes we all collect for different reasons, but that's half of the fascination, isn't it? It can also be beneficial to us as we'd all be fighting over the same coins if we collected for the same reason!

 

Hammered British Isles coins are cool.I have got mostly English hammered coins.I do have a few Scots & Irish hammered coins.

Aidan.

 

Here are a few more including a nice cut half penny

 

I have one or two

 

Those are nice coins,I have got a cut 1/2d.,but it isn't one of King John's though! As for that King Edward I silver 1d.,I don't have one from the Bristol mint,though.I have got one from the Durham,& Newcastle-on-Tyne mints,as well as London.

Aidan.

 

Here is my only hammered cob coin I have in my collection. I believe it's a Phillip IV 1621-1665.

 

If you ask me I collect hammered coins only. I have about 2 000 now. These are russian coins mostly, some from tatar invasion, some of russian medieval indipendent principalities. You can see the example on my avatar. This is Pskov indipendent principality 1424-1510. U can find the introduction about russian hammered coins in English here http://www.kgcoins.narod.ru/ivan/006.jpg The site is constructed easily, do not read cyrillic just push the pictures and you will see the images.
Also around Moscow you can find some hammered coins from Poland and Lithuana. I mean with metal detector.
If you need more information about russian hammered coins just ask here or mail me...

 

Just checked out your link unfortunatly all in Russian which is a shame as i was looking forwards to a good read. If you have another link to it in English I would love to have a look.

De Orc

 

Steve,you could try putting it through a translator such as Babelfish or www.babylon.com .

Aidan.

 

Do not say so. Before each part of the catalogue there is some text in English. A kind of description of every period of reign. All you need to do is to list the pages and search. Pages in English - 5-6, 11-12, 28, 34, 42, 52, 53, 55, 59, 65, 67, 69, 72, 77-78, 82.
Of course there is too little text but to get the idea it is enough. All the rest of the book is the catalogue. I know the authors. One of them says that the main reader is Russian collector that is why russian text is longer and richer. And that's true because to collect native coins in the country where you live is easier than from abroad. I don't know any serious collector of russian hammered coins anywhere except Russia.
The same approach is for the rest two books.
By the end of this year they will publish a new one of Alexey Mikhailovich, Ioann Alexeevich and Fedor Alexeevich reign 1645 till 1695.
Now I'm trying to create a page devoted to russian hammered coins but I'm too busy to do it fast. Possibly later I shall publish it in internet.

 

Coopra,I am sure that you & gxseries could work together in doing a translation on that website.Of course,you'd have to have the translation function that would switch the website from Russian to English & vice-versa with a click of a mouse.

Aidan.