Don't clean your coins - Ha !

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Mojavedave, Dec 1, 2012.

  1. Mojavedave

    Mojavedave Senior Member

    I suppose most of you have seen this on the web, but for those who haven't here is something to think about when faced with the proposal of to clean or not to clean. What would you do?

    A block of encrusted silver coins from the shipwreck of a 1804 galleon, on its first display to the media at a ministry building, in Madrid, Friday, Nov. 30, 2012. Spanish cultural officials have allowed the first peep at 16 tons (14.5 metric tons) of the shipwreck, 'Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes' a treasure worth an estimated $500 million that a U.S. salvage company gave up after a five-year international ownership dispute. (AP Photo/Daniel Ochoa de Olza)
     

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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well I'll tell ya Dave, I have actually found clumps of coins like that from a Spanish galleon in the ocean. And cleaning them at all is no easy task, not by a long shot. Cleaning them without further harming the coins, that is an art. Sometimes an all but impossible art.

    But would I do it or attempt to do it ? Absolutely ;)
     
  5. Mojavedave

    Mojavedave Senior Member

    I have actually found clumps of coins like that from a Spanish galleon in the ocean.

    Wow ! Doug, That must have been the most exciting and fantastic experience one could imagine.
    You should write and share a story of your adventure to all Coin Talk people. If not wanting to be public, I would love to hear more from you in PM.

    Dave
     
  6. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I'm sure that's quite a story!
     
  7. jlblonde

    jlblonde Señor Member

    Interesting...Do countries still have official ownership of lost coinage?
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I have related that story before Dave, a couple of times I think. Perhaps I will again one day. But today, I am exhausted now. I have been writing all day long, going on 7 hours now. I over-did it. My writing of any length is done until another day.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Depending upon where the wreck is found, and other details, they sometimes claim ownership. But they do not always, I might even say seldom, win that claim.
     
  10. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    The Spaniards claimed it was a war ship and as a result the right for claim (for them) never expires......
     
  11. Mojavedave

    Mojavedave Senior Member

    Well, this is the one time they won. Imagine having to find a fortune such as this and than having to give up the claim. Here is the whole story;

    MADRID -- Spanish cultural officials allowed a first peek Friday at some of the 16 tons (14.5 metric tons) of shipwreck treasure worth an estimated $500 million that a U.S. salvage company gave up this year after a five-year ownership dispute.

    http://www.thestate.com/2012/11/30/2538345/spain-shipwreck-treasure-shown.html#.UL4P5-Tonko

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    Dave
     
  12. Mojavedave

    Mojavedave Senior Member

    Well Doug, If it's your biography, I hope you publish it. Your life story would be most interesting to read. I would be glad to proof read it for you at no-charge.

    Dave
     
  13. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    I love it. Call it a war ship, fold your arms across your chest, and put on a look of "what are you gonna do about it?" I guess the Spanish are very good at taking gold from others. I wonder if Mexico or Peru could enter the fray and say warship or not, the Spanish took that gold from us. :cool:
     
  14. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Heck, If I was Odyssey I would have thrown it back in the water and told the Spaniards to fetch it themselves......
     
  15. Tinpot

    Tinpot Well-Known Member

    really? Quite an injustice occurred in my opinion. The crew found and recovered the items, and did not get to keep even one item I believe......

    "Spain's Culture Minister, Jose Ignaico Wert, told CNN in Madrid on Wednesday that the case was never really about the money."

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/01/world/europe/spain-u-s--treasure-dispute/index.html

    HAHAAHAHAHAHAH then why couldn't you pay the crew that recovered the items a fair price rather than taking EVERYTHING? Such liars, not surprising though I guess coming from a government official.
     
  16. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    Not about the money. I can understand that. It is part of their heritage . . . of raping and pillaging the Mexican and Peruvian peoples of their heritage.
     
  17. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    In my opinion, you've left your treasure sitting out in the open, you don't care about it. Lindisfarne is a great example of what this can lead too. If they cared, they should have reclaimed it and not waited for someone else to find and recover their lost treasure. Me - if I find a long lost treasure, its mine.
     
  18. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    Because that's what governments do.
     
  19. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    It was all about diplomacy people.......though that sometimes stinks.

    Deals made in higher places. I still would have jettisoned the goods over the side......
     
  20. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Yep, better no one gets 'em!
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Thanks Dave, but I've written a book before. It's not an undertaking that I will ever be doing again - too much dang work ! Besides, my autobiography ? Nobody would ever believe it :devil:
     
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