Encased 1894 Italian 20 Centesimi

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  1. UpGrayedd

    UpGrayedd Member

    Has anyone ever seen anything like this before?

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    It is an encased 1894 Italian 20 Centesimi. The encasement is plain, and I'm unsure of its composition. I also can't say that the encasement is contemporary, but based on the patina I assume that it has been on there a long time.

    Does anyone have any idea why this might have been done? Did it serve some purpose or was someone just bored in "shop class"?
     
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  3. Joshua Lemons

    Joshua Lemons Well-Known Member Supporter

    I'm not sure, but it's interesting.
     
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  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Very carefully.:rolleyes: Novelty item?:bookworm:
     
  5. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    A jewelers practice piece?
     
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  6. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Cool piece.
     
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  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Looks like it has always been there.
    Neat find Upgrayedd.
     
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  8. UpGrayedd

    UpGrayedd Member

    Thanks to everyone that has replied thus far, but I welcome any and all opinions so please keep them coming.

    I posted this here and on another forum. So far, no one has seen anything like it. I assume it is a "novelty piece", with nominal value, however, the uniqueness of something this old is what intrigues me.
     
  9. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    What's the outer metal composition?
    Weight?
    Maybe something to balance out a scale.
    Resembles a casino chip.
     
  10. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    Maybe the outer ring was meant to be engraved but never was. It may have been meant for a love token, some type of award, or just a memento of an event.

    Bruce
     
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  11. Joshua Lemons

    Joshua Lemons Well-Known Member Supporter

    I just ran across this German trial strike on Instagram. Yours is interesting that it's two sided, but the KB mint mark on yours from what I can tell is Berlin. Maybe a trial piece?
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  12. Joshua Lemons

    Joshua Lemons Well-Known Member Supporter

    Also, the 1894 KB was a one year type, with others produced in Rome with an R mintmark.
     
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  13. UpGrayedd

    UpGrayedd Member

    I don't know the metal composition, and don't have an easy way to test it. I can get it out and weigh it though.
     
  14. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    You can check with a magnet.
    I first thought that the ring wasn't an encasement, and left it to you as you had it in hand.
     
  15. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    The 1907 baden death 4 mark looks thicker almost like a paperweight.
    I wouldn't think I would be in steel?
    Looks like a lead encasement on a silver coin.

    These being one year only coins, Maybe someone is using the encasement to copy or make a reverse casting.
     
  16. UpGrayedd

    UpGrayedd Member

    It's been a long week, but I finally had time to dig this out and examine it some more. I'm still not sure what I have or why it was made, but I do believe that it is an encasement not a trial strike, etc. based on the metal overlap seen on the reverse.

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    The coin itself is supposed to weigh 4.0 grams (at least in unc. condition) with a diameter of 21 mm.

    The coin and encasement weigh 14.43 grams with a diameter of 36 mm.

    I am still not sure of the metal composition, but it is not magnetic.
     
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  17. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    In this pic it does look like more of an encasement. A trial strike would have smoother edges. Interesting piece.

    Bruce
     
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  18. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    I think we can all agree it wasn't a trial strike.
    The production coin is copper - nickel and 75,000,000 mintage.
    https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/italy-20-centesimi-km-28.1-1894-cuid-1124150-duid-1472864

    I thought maybe the outer encasement was something like a metal washer and the coin glued in.
    Could be someone's pocket piece?
    Someone trying to made a larger denomination coin? size and weight of like a dollar.
    It's too ruff around the coin edge to be a mold for counterfeiting?
    With the blackened look I was thinking someone maybe used it as an ink stamp? OR stamp for hot wax letter sealing?
    Something along those lines...
    Lots of possibilities.
     
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