What makes this 1907 Indian Eagle a MS64, not an MS65? http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=394&Lot_No=5515#photo Just curious, Greg
Maybe it is a 65. Or not. Those photos are really washed out. Overexposed. It's possible there are missing flaws which don't show up. On the reverse, in the field about 9 o'clock. Looks like a great coin, though. Must have in hand to know for sure.
The TPGs are very picky when it comes to giving a 65 grade on $10 Indians. The photo appears a little overexposed. Look at the fixed image below & you can see some of the nicks that may have just kept it from 65. Are you going to the Fun show? It may be a 64.8 waiting for you at FUN. Very best regards, collect89
You know, the picture they show of the coin without the slab is generally not the coin in the slab, at least in Heritage auctions. Saw a pf-60 details anacs gold eagle and it had a pf-67+ picture, the two coins were completely different. The coin pictured seems to be at least ms65, and the eye appeal coud get a 66, at least by the expanded slabless picture. The coin is probaby an average ms-64, just exaggerated.
FWIW, Tom, photos of proof coins (as was mentioned by Frostyluster) sometimes don't show hairlines, and these are often the difference between proof grades. So I can kind of understand what he might be referring to in the first part of his post. As for the coin posted by the OP (now several years old, I note), the coin sure looks good enough in the photos to be MS65, but not only are $10 Indians graded very stringently at the 65 grade, but -- as we both know -- photos don't always tell the entire story.
Boy I can't. Unless I completely misunderstand his comments, he is saying that Heritage uses pictures of 2 completely different coins in their auction listings - coin A is depicted in the slab pics, and coin B is depicted in the out of the slab pics. And I just don't believe that is true.
I was trying to be nice with the "kind of" modifier. Like you, I don't believe for a moment they are different coins, but I can "kind of" understand how someone might get that impression when trying to evaluate the grades of proof coins versus their HA pictures.
What I meant by the comment is that when the coin is ugly and unappealing, Heritage will SOMETIMES switch the slabless picture with a different one.
The coin was a MATTE Proof gold coin, ANACS old holder, pf-60 details altered surfaces, and it looked like a acid dipped brass coin. The slabless photo was brilliant, lusterous, and did not have that black dirt crust around the rim.
I tell you, it was a MATTE proof with no luster and a DETAILS altered grade, and it had a funky color to it. The slabless photo had a brilliant coin with almost no marks.
Of course mistakes can happen but all HA images for each auction lot are of the same coin. Have you got a link to the auction you're referring to? Sometimes HA tweaks color and brightness for the enlarged photos. I don't like it and feel they shouldn't. In my experience the image of the coin in the holder is almost always more accurate. Lance.
