Bad Sellers List....Sticky?

Is this thread closed now?

 

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I don't think it will be closed because Tim is the one who will be 100% liable for what he trash, I mean says against the eBay sellers.

Unless, of course, the thread detracts so far off topic the mods have enough and close it(hint, hint).

 

want to hear a great joke?

What is brown and shaped like half a pear?

 

Wait, wait, can I be part of another closed thread?

 

A lute:

 

Not in this context.

 

I have to admit, I found that pretty funny.

 

Come, come now. Can't we all be friends and pursue the hobby in a good spirit?

 

Not when Tim is allowed to make whole threads that attack other members...among other viciousness that has been allowed and injustices dealed out.

 

How about you just read the sellers feedback before purchasing?

Or you can just go here:
http://toolhaus.org/

 

I feel the same, but unfortunately, the nature of the beast seems to dictate that it is easier (and/or more fun) to trash than praise, especially when those being branded as bad sellers are not present to defend themselves. The same goes for being more rational about such things... it is easier (for some) to point the finger at someone else than it is to accept any level of personal responsibility. Not that this is always the case, and I am sure that everyone would agree that there are many questionable sellers out there, but either way, it is not the OP's (or anyone else's) place to authoritatively state who is good and who is bad, especially with the over-generalizations provided.

A few years back I purchased an inexpensive coin for a client's son from one of the sellers on the OP's list, and it was a fine transaction. Now that my positive - for all sense and purposes - cancels out his negative, maybe they should be removed from the list?

Wasn't this same seller caught using another account to buy and leave positive FB on their own item? If so, that's a very shady move that should make them worthy of any bad sellers list. After all, if one bad deed or experience warrants inclusion, we've no other choice, right?

 

Personal disappointments are, well, personal.

I'm curious to know what a 'reasonable discount' on eBay purchases should be, based on overall dodginess of that market. That should help bidding 'within reason.'

I also suppose that metric (avg item price, completed auction) helps you gauge any LCS price. A reputable dealer's premium should be worth and extra +5% or so, IMO.

 

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Well, it's hardly necessary to restate:dead-horse: this is a bad idea. Almost as bad idea as bashing Detecto in this forum.

Having said that, here is a suggestion, and Detecto, or someone else, if these threads were started, I'd actively contribute:

I've often thought it would be great to have an open poll where CT members could vote for favorite eBay sellers by type (large cents, small cents, modern proof sets, etc.) perhaps one poll per type, and that would help those new or entering a new territory understand who some of CT's favorite sellers are. That would be useful.

For the negative side, we could have an ongoing thread, like the "Post toned coins" where people could enter a brief description of the type of coin, type of transaction, and what went wrong (without links of identifying details) then if anyone was interested, they could PM details. That would be helpful too.

That's my $.02.

 

Keep in mind I don't deal through eBay, in fact only bought one coin from a eBay seller and was actually quite satisfied with the deal.

With that said, before you can even think of posting a "Bad Seller" list, you really need to define the term "Bad Seller". Aside from the obvious counterfeits and scams, "bad seller" gets used a lot around here to describe some unsatisfactory purchases, rather than bad deals. While it seems eBay has been overrun with "professional sellers" (I can't call them dealers), quite a few are regular people hoping to make a quick buck. For instance, poor photography doesn't necessarily make the seller bad. He may use poor sales techniques and spotty descriptions, but is this an effort to rip somebody off, inexperience, or simply, I'm selling a few coins, don't really want to invest the time or money on equipment to take super-sharp pictures? What about those who buy, knowing the pictures are not the best, hoping to score a major deal, then find out the coin was as described ("I took a gamble, not what I expected...") and then hide behind eBay's Buyer Protection? And my all-time favorite, "I was sleepwalking and bid, and now the seller won't let me back out of the deal" (that guy took a beating from a lot of posters).

Detecto, while your intentions seem good, you're barking up the wrong tree. Most of us know what to look for on eBay, and the seller's identity really doesn't matter. Take the slabs you mentioned in the original post. Did you take a good look at the coins (I know you said the pictures were bad) and really discount the slab and grade given. High grade, basement slabs, and poor pictures should have been the red flags that detoured you from making that purchase. The audience you're trying to reach more than likely doesn't read this, or any other coin-related forum.

You can also come up with a "Bad Buyers" list. Include the examples I cited above, along with the "I got such a great deal on this, why won't anybody buy it for more than I paid so I can make some money", etc. Just saying, be careful with the labels.