[h=2]Need input on a couple of strange error coins[/h] I have attached images of a couple of strange error coins. The one coin is an 1826 large cent that appears to have been stamped with, or on to, a coin with a shield design, there are several that seem like they might work for the shield design that I seem to see, but I have not found any from the same time period. This image has some strange optical illusion properties, the hair and stars sometimes appear recessed, but are actually raised. The second coin is a Lincoln penny with the standard post-wheat Lincoln Memorial back. The rim is quite raised towards the head side and the head looks like a Lincoln penny head that was far too big for the coin, thus only the last part of LIBERTY and the first part of the date show. Any information/opinions are appreciated. I placed mistakenly this same post in the "What's it Worth" section, sorry for the duplication. Read more: http://www.cointalk.com/t214817/#ixzz28IkH2NgQ
The Lincoln cent looks like it was struck through a late stage die cap! :thumb: A very cool type of error, and it's definitely worth a significant premium... although I personally don't feel comfortable pinning it with a dollar figure. I'll leave that to the experts.
I agree - a late-state die cap strike. That is a very nice find. Congrats. The Large Cent appears to have been counterstamped. Some counterstamped coins from this era - especially those with identifiable names or advertising - are highly collectible.
the impression looks like that of the eagle on the reverse of the capped bust/liberty seated series. I'm inclined to say a very old vice/smoosh job. Nice find on the late stage die cap struck LMC though! Welcome to the forum!
Your second coin is a Counter Brockage error. A counter brockage error involves a capped die and a previously struck coin. When a capped die strikes a previously struck coin, the obverse design from that struck coin will be impressed into the cap. The result will be a design where the cap face will be an incuse brockage. When a new blank is struck by this capped die with an incuse brockage image, the obverse will have a raised and spread image from that incuse design of the cap. This brockage impression is known as a counter brockage. Yours is not a 1st strike......based on the image being spread out, I would say maybe 3rd or 4th strike.
How would a struck Liberty Seated/Capped Bust dime/quarter (by the size of the eagle) have found its way into the cent coining chamber? Your explanation of a counter brockage is a good one, I just ask if such a thing would be possible.
Oh, yes. I see. I misunderstood because the second coin, as he states and as I view them, is the large cent. I am very intrigued with the large cent and how it could have happened. I'd like to see a shot of the reverse of that coin. Doesn't that eagle resemble very closely that of the eagle on the rev. of the CB/LS series' coinage?
That's definitely a possibility, but it really is irrelevant. Whatever coin it came in contact with between a vice, hammer, etc. doesn't matter - it's still just PMD.
Yes but if it's a counterstamp, which I doubt since it so closely matches the mint design, I'd expect a bulge on the reverse. I see in the original post he says the eagle image is raised. How? I'd like more pics of the large cent please, OP.
Thank you! I greatly appreciate all of the expertise that list members have been willing to share with me! I believe that Zimmy has offered a conclusive explanation for the Lincoln cent. Thank you!!! I also feel that the large cent is very likely PMD (see, I'm picking up the jargon ) as suggested, and not an error coin as I had first assumed. I have attached an image of the back of that coin as requested. Point of clarification: In my original post I stated that the hair and stars are raised, the "eagle" is definitely recessed.
