What can you tell me about this medal?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by ldhair, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It's about 40mm. I'm thinking it's just a crude copy of the US Mint medal that was 55mm.
    Someone offered me $120 for it but I'm thinking it's worth about $10. Any information would be great.
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  3. Eps

    Eps Coin hoarder/ lover

    It's cool is it really from 1813?
     
  4. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Maybe 1818? Maybe much more modern.
     
  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Larry, have you asked Bill Jones on the NGC forums. I think he is big into 19th century presidential/political stuff.

    Chris
     
  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    IMO:

    punt.

    $10 would be max.
     
  7. Eps

    Eps Coin hoarder/ lover

    Take the money and run, if he likes it and is willing to pay 120 for it Han I'd sell it
     
  8. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    That's a medal that commemorates the Battle of the Thames, or Moraviantown, which occured Oct. 5, 1813 during the War of 1812. A decisive victory for the U.S. against the British, and was near what is now known as Chatham, Ontario, Upper Canada. This battle resulted in the death of the Shawnee Chief Tecumseh, and the Native American coalition he led.

    Here is a link for one that sold for $230, in choice uncirculated condition, raw:

    http://legacy.stacks.com/Lot/ItemDetail/192104

    Here's another link for Military Medals where I found the OPs:

    http://rhbantiques.com/MedalsMilitary.html

    According to the second website I linked, the originals were 65mm, bronzed copper. The first linked website has the specs at 65.4mm in diameter and 6.5mm thick.

    After looking at the OPs, and the images from rhbantiques.com, it does appear that the OPs is a copy and not an original.

    There are noticeable differences on the image of Harrison between the two.

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    From rhbantiques.com. Compare these to the OPs and you can see the differences in the designs.
     
  9. doug444

    doug444 STAMPS and POSTCARDS too!

    The Battle of the Thames was a key U.S. victory in the War of 1812; it took place in Ontario under the command of William Henry Harrison, who went on to become President several decades later. This medal has the look and feel of a very old piece, although it could be a contemporary counterfeit from the time of Harrison's Presidential campaign.

    I would not sell it until you have either an expert's opinion or a confirmed auction record.

    The "Resolution of Congress" of April 4, 1818 established new guidelines for the design of the U.S. flag, but I don't know what connection that might have with Harrison.
     
  10. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    The OP's is an obvious fake as the obverse does not have the designer's name Furst. F., under Harrison's bust; for Moritz Furst.
     
  11. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

  12. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    "Take the money and run"? How respectable of you, sir.
     
  13. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    Not very, IMO.
     
  14. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Looks like I was way off on this one. Bill actually has one like it but his is in much better shape. This is what he had to say. Thanks everyone.

    "This is a William Henry Harrison presidential campaign piece that is listed in DeWitt / Sullivan as WHH 1836-1. It is listed as part of the 1836 campaign when Herrison was one of the also-rans who lost to Martin Van Buren, but I can tell you that these pieces were struck after that date as well perhaps before it. The piece in my collection was struck over an 1837 large cent with the undertype showing."
     
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