Why would anyone use ICG grading?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by vtvick777, Sep 19, 2012.

  1. vtvick777

    vtvick777 Member

    I was browsing eBay looking for graded mercury dimes and came across this under completed listings.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1939-Mercur...=&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

    According to numismedia, a 1939 Mercury Dime in MS68 is worth $325. This one sold for $44. I have had some experience with ICG coins before, and it seems like they usually sell for around what PCGS and NGC graded coins are selling for 1 grade lower. My question is why would anyone use ICG to grade their coins? If the person having their coins graded knows that they sell for 1 grade lower, why not just send them to PCGS or NGC. It seems like the only thing that could happen is that they would miss out on PCGS or NGC possibly grading the coin the same as ICG, in which case you would have missed out on ~$275 on this coin. Plus, it is much easier to sell PCGS or NGC graded coins. Why do you guys think people choose ICG to grade their coins?
     
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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

  4. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    Wow! Someone got a really great deal.

    PCGS price guide lists the price of a 39 Merc MS68 at $300, and NGC/Numismedia lists the price at $325.
     
  5. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    At one time, truly only during their first year or two of operations, ICG was quite well respected and graded on par with PCGS. This coin may have been graded in that time period.
     
  6. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    ICG used to be more popular at one time years ago, could be it was graded years ago. It's worth looking at the ICG listings on ebay in hopes of getting a great deal. :thumb: Problem is, a lot of other collectors are aware of this as well. :D
     
  7. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    Faster and cheaper than PCGS and NGC and as good a holder in my opinion. Less reliability on grade. My experience was they graded coins conservatively. Randy Campbell is a great guy, I think he was one of their main graders.
     
  8. willhurst01

    willhurst01 Active Member

    how much is it per coin to submit to them actualy?
     
  9. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

  10. willhurst01

    willhurst01 Active Member

    i meant icg atualy it says on the site 1-4 coins $20 is that twenty dollars each coin or 1-4 coins is twenty all together?
     
  11. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    That's $20 each.
     
  12. willhurst01

    willhurst01 Active Member

    thats to much i rather do pcgs or ngc :confused:
     
  13. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    However, PCGS and NGC require you to join to submit coins yourself.

    There are dealers that will submit your coins, for a fee of course.
     
  14. willhurst01

    willhurst01 Active Member

    i wish there was a dealer i could give some to submit to but i will in a small town in tennessee :(
     
  15. robbudo

    robbudo Indian Error Collector

    I trust ICG's grading of Large Cents, but not much else.
     
  16. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I wouldn't say they were on par with PCGS...but there was a time when PCGS and NGC were considered to be the elite graders and ANACS and ICG were closely behind and highly respected. But, those days are long gone and I don't know if there is a way to tell when a particular ICG coin was graded.
     
  17. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    If you go to NGCs website there is a dealer locater that will show you any authorized dealers in Tennessee that you can submit coins through. That's how I found the only one in NH that I plan on submitting coins through very soon.
     
  18. CoinCast

    CoinCast Member

    ICG is no longer in business anyway... I would never send a coin to them.
     
  19. dsmith23

    dsmith23 Gotta get 'em all

    ???

    http://www.icgcoin.com/
     
  20. CoinCast

    CoinCast Member

    I heard from a few people that ANACs bought them out last year. Maybe they were wrong. I hadn't heard about until Long Beach so I found it surprising too
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    There's all kinds of reasons. Some do it because grading fees can be cheaper. Some do it because they don't know any better - they think/believe that all TPGs are the same and they all follow the same grading standards. Some do it because they know that the coins will get over-graded and then they can sell them for more than they are worth to people who do not know any better than to buy them. Some do it because they like the company.

    Not until 2007, before that Randy worked for ANACS for many years.

    In 2007 ICG and ANACS were both sold to new owners. When that happened all of the grading staff at ICG left ICG and went to work for ANACS. And all of the grading staff at ANACS left ANACS and went to work for ICG.

    But who the graders are really doesn't matter because the graders are told by the company owner/management what grading standards they will use. The people doing the actual grading have no say in the matter. If the grader thinks that by his personal grading standards that the coin is a 63, but the company standards say the coin is 65, then the grader has no choice but to grade the coin a 65.

    This is how ALL grading companies work, even NGC and PCGS. Graders must follow and adhere to the company grading standards.
     
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