Why isn't my $81.00 40% Silver Selling?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by akajcw95, Sep 12, 2012.

  1. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Sorry, I don't view the mods here as "strong arms". Mods need to enforce forum rules, since they are put in place to facilitate discussion. I am sure I am unaware of some forum rule, but if a post gets modified for violating one I don't feel insulted. I simply view the mods as doing their job.

    It wasn't personal akajcw95, so don't feel bad about it. Just live, learn, and enjoy your time here.

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  3. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    I agree that there should be rules and mods are needed to enforce them. What I don't care for on here is this "zero tolerance" attitude where there is no room for leeway. The OP had a very legitimate reason for asking about the coins he was selling and it would be a big help for a direct link to be posted. I should not have to dig around ebay trying to find it or guess that it is somewhere on an auction listing on this forum. That is an inconvenience which I or no one should have to contend with when it comes to trying to help someone out.

    Also, saying "edited" or writing in red text is not the best way to maintain peace and order. The color red has been known to bring out hostility and tension in people whether it be on the road or internet, etc. I think when a mod edits a post they should use a nice mellow blue or purple color to help keep things relaxed.
     
  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    The rules here are straighforward and clearly stated; they're enforced consistently and fairly. If they don't suit you, you can choose not to participate. "Leeway" leads to inconsistent enforcement, hard feelings, and more bad behavior.

    I think red text to indicate edits is an excellent choice. It stands out, but it's still readable. As far as I can tell, it's only disturbing one person.
     
  5. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    You have way too many different coins included in that sale. You gotta split them up, Kennedy's all in one lot etc. And start with 99 cent openings. Ebay is a balls to the walls type of environment and if you don't take risks then other's will and you will lose. jmho

    Take your smallest lot and start it from 99 cents, you will never lose that way if it's silver. :thumb:
     
  6. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    See what Glenn Beck has to say about "zero tolerance" policies and you will see where I am coming from with this. There is a middle ground which should be considered. I in no way said it disturbs me, but rather, it is not the best selection as editing peoples' posts already brings out feelings of offense to those whose posts were changed and using red may do nothing to help the situation. This is where using a nice mellow blue or purple comes into play.
     
  7. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    There are rules here for a reason, and when we all joined CT we agreed to abide by those rules. I find your remark to be out of line, and totally uncalled for.

    CT is the best because of the rules and the equal application of those rules towars everyone, with no exceptions, including the fairness of all of the mods and admins.
     
  8. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    You may find it to be out-of-line (which it isn't imo) but at least that flag in your avatar comined with the Bill of Rights not only respects, but also protects, my right to say what I felt needed to be said.


    When we live in a world with "zero tolerance" policies bad things are bound to happen. If a 6th grade Boy Scout uses his book bag when he goes on a camping trip over the weekend and uses the bag to store his pocket knife and then brings that bag to school and the knife is found at school because he forgot it was in there, should he be expelled from school or have to repeat the 6th grade? No, of course not! But it happens. It happens where common sense is taken out of the equation and "zero tolerance policies just have to be enforced to protect the good of society" when it is clear as day that exceptions should be considered on a case-by-case basis.
     
  9. Blaubart

    Blaubart Melt Value = 4.50

    It's funny how many people seem to misunderstand what the Bill of Rights protects.

    Of course it does protect your right to write what you want here, but since BUncirculated wasn't even so much as implying the government should prosecute you for what you wrote, the protections offered by the First Amendment are completely irrelevant.

    The fact is, that while you do have the right to write what you want, people are free to judge you based on what you've written, and since this is a private forum, the owners are free to delete or edit whatever they feel like censoring.
     
  10. camlov2

    camlov2 Member

    And since the rules state they are going to do it... you shouldn't be surprised/annoyed when it happens.
     
  11. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    One way the OP could have stayed within the rules (unless a re-write happens after I post this) is he could have asked his question and, without linking it, provided the Ebay auction number so that members could copy and paste it and find the auction quick and easy. This isn't self promotion, linking to a site buying or selling anything, or any other violation. It's been done here on hundreds of occasions.
    Guy
     
  12. ocjoe949

    ocjoe949 Active Member

    Werent we talkin about 40% halves??? When it comes to silver especially US stuff wether its 90% or 40% I slap on a little shipping start the auction at 99 cents and it will always bring 80-95%. If you want more than that break it down to little lots and pay the fee. You'll make more in small lots...but the fees will be more. Either want full spot, Ebay is not the place IMHO.
     
  13. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    [edited, but by my own hand, not that of a moderator. I'm done being trolled into political arguments, at least for tonight.]

    Blue and purple are commonly used to denote links, and would be confusing on that basis; they're also less visually distinct from black, and therefore harder to notice. When mods have edited a post, I want to see clearly exactly where they've made their changes. I view their use of red as a courtesy, not an affront.
     
  14. lkeigwin

    lkeigwin Well-Known Member

    Allow this then expect many more. Rules are pretty simple and sensible.
    Lance.
     
  15. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Bottom line is it's a terrible deal no matter how you look at it. Just because the amount of coins are worth the amount asked does not mean it's a good deal. Normally buyers on ebay prefer 99 cent auctions, that's just the way it works. Besides that, in your ad it says "no returns", that by itself turns off many buyers. Lastly, you got a hodge podge of coins in the mix and those almost never sell unless it's an auction. Trust me, I have lost money doing it that way. Take the sale down and start over.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I am selling the following item on eBay. The bidding starts at $870.00 with BIN at $960.00 and $6.00 shipping. It includes

    $68.50 40% Kennedy Halves (50% AVG CIRC/ 50% AU+/BU)
    $5.00 (1974-S Blue Pack Ikes)
    $4.00 (40% Ikes)
    $3.50 (2 1976S Mint Sets)
    37 War Nickels
    VF 1927 Peace Dollar (BIN Bonus)
    Cull 1901-O Morgan Dollar (BIN Bonus)
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Sorry Guy, but we do consider that method self-promotion, and no it is not permitted. The rules on this are pretty clear -

    3 – Self Promotion – self promotion is not permitted on Coin Talk. * See exceptions

    A - Offers to buy, sell or trade by individuals and/or dealers are not permitted in any way, shape or form in threads and/or posts.

    Read more: http://www.cointalk.com/t34131/#ixzz26MTziqpR


    What do you suppose "in any way, shape or form" means ? It means you cannot post links to active auctions, it means you cannot post auction numbers, it means you cannot post your ebay name/handle in conjunction with mentioning an auction you have up, it means you cannot say something like - "hey I have an auction going over on ebay ........" - and then use any other statement or comment that may help direct people to that auction. It means you're not allowed to do it period.

    And NOS, there is zero tolerance on this policy for a reason. That reason is exactly to avoid what you are proposing. Because if there was any tolerance people would using every way they could think of to get around the rule. And the first time a post was edited they would be screaming - "hey ! I did that because ......" trying to rationalize or justify their actions. So no, there are no exceptions.

    Not to my knowledge it hasn't.

    What has been done, and what is allowed, is that someone, anyone, else can post links to any auction they want - as long as it is not their own auction; or, as I said earlier, you can even post links to your own inactive/completed auctions - so that those auctions or the items in those auctions can be discussed.

    And NOS, as for the color red being used to indicate that a post has been edited, I chose to use that color specifically because it jumps out at you. It is supposed to grab you and get your immediate attention. It is supposed to point out, not only to the offender, but to everybody else as well, that - HEY ! Somebody broke the rules ! In that way it is not only used as a notifier it is also used as reminder - to everyone that we have rules and that some things are not allowed.

    That said, it is a pretty rare occasion that anyone ever gets punished or given an infraction when a post of theirs is edited. In other words, the post is edited and that is the end of it. THAT is where your tolerance comes in NOS. That is where and how the leeway is given. We fully realize that people are human, and sometimes they just make honest mistakes, sometimes they are not even aware that they broke any rule.

    And even in those cases where it is obvious that the offender broke the rule on purpose, knowing full well that it was against the rules to do what they did, they still don't get an infraction for doing so in the majority of cases. Their post gets edited and that's the end of it.

    The only time there are any consequences for rule violations is when the offender repeatedly and knowingly breaks the rules, or when an offender has been told to stop and they do not stop. Then there are consequences.

    In other words NOS, nobody is expelled from school just because they broke the zero tolerance rule. They don't even get detention. Instead, they get told that they did break the rule, and that's all that happens.

    Now I don't know about you, but that seems like a pretty dang fair, reasonable, and tolerant, way of doing things.
     
  17. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    OK, that clarifies it, as that is most likely what I've seen.
     
  18. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    The Bill of Rights only protects you from censorship by the government.
    You have absolutely no right of or to free speech here on Coin Talk.
     
  19. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    On the bright side, with this afternoon's spike in PM prices, you stand a good chance of getting someone to at least snipe at the opening price.
     
  20. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    Really now, what is the big deal with people showing what they have for sale? As long as they do it tactfully, I see no problem with people showing what they have to offer. At least on the www.wheresgeorge.com forum people can buy, sell and trade with each other as open as they please. They don't have to be cryptic when it comes to offering things that they don't want to keep and no, the forum is not saturated with people trying to sell things. If people want to have a link in their signature of what they want to sell, they put it in there and it is no big deal. Even though that forum has its fair share of problems, I applaud them for being so free and open when it comes to offering things for sale or trade.

    Yes, it jumps out at you but perhaps not always in a good way. It would be much more calming and therapeutic to use a more tranquil color such as purple. What happens when a bullfighter shows a red cape? The bull gets enraged and excited. This is why the color red, while effective to some degree, is not the best color to use in my honest assessment.

    I took Political Science 101 last year, I think I know what I'm talking about.
     
  21. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Lol thanks. I am still smiling and laughing at the thought of someone all in a huff because they took a college class last year so of course they now know everything. :D
     
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