Correct obverse appearance of a nickel.

Wondering if someone can post a photo of the obverse of a normal Jefferson nickel that's straight. Most have IGWT fairly centered on the side, like in the red book, but others have the IGWT a little further counterclockwise. Which is correct? Does the mint have a photo of what a straight Jefferson nickel obverse should look like? Does it have anything to do with the mint mark? Just curious if anyone knows for sure which is the right way.

 

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Anyway, after looking at the US Mint page, wikipedia and a few other examples, I can only conclude that IGWT is supposed to be more centered on the left for the coin to be straight. I only asked because of this.

http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=219873&image=595574228&images=595574270,595574228&formats=0,0&format=0

For some reason NGC seems determined to put rotated Jeffereson nickels in their holders incorrectly. I wonder why they do that?

Thanks anyway.

 

That nickel is a rotated die error.

This occurs when the obverse and reverse dies are not perfectly aligned with one another before striking the planchets. This can also occur if one of the dies becomes loose and rotates out of alignment, during the striking process. There is a tolerance of up 3%-5%.

 

Not what I was talking about. I'm talking about only the obverse as it looks in the holder. It's crooked in that photo as well. The coin needs rotated clockwise just a little to be straight in the holder. That person may have an actual 90* rotated die, but the way it's in the slab makes it look like it's not. I'm wondering if they do that so people will have to send them back and still pay the $20 fee to have it mailed back to you. The actual mailing fee is like $12 or $13 and the cardboard mailer can't be that much, so they're pocketing at least 5 or 6 bucks on their own mistakes, plus the cost of people sending it back to them. I think they should cover the whole thing since they put it in there wrong.

 

Since the label says ROTATED DIES(plural), how do we know that isn't in the holder as it should be and both obverse and reverse dies were rotated?

 

Incidentally, the Rotated Die Census lists a 90* rotated die and a 95* rotated die for 1966 Jefferson nickels.

 

Huh? It doesn't matter which one is rotated, the obverse should appear straight in the slab, then you can see the degree of rotation with your eyes instead of flipping it around and looking at it cockeyed.

 

So you're saying it's impossible for both dies to be out of alignment at the same time when a planchet is struck?

 

Look, they slab thousands and thousands of coins every week, week in and week out. It's not like they have a humongous staff doing nothing but slabbing coins. I'd like to see you be perfect on hundreds of thousands of coins every year.

Besides, your contention that they do it intentionally to squeeze more money from the customer is ludicrous. Unless you have absolute proof, you better be darn sure you're not wearing golf shoes with steel spikes because it's going to hurt when you pull it out of your mouth.

Chris

 

Not at all, what I'm saying is that after the fact the only way to tell how far rotated it is is to look at one side straight and then flip it over, but if the first side isn't strtaight to begin with you won't be accurate in your estimate of the degree of rotation. They could solve all of this by putting the degree of rotation on the label, but since they don't they should put one side straight in the slab because people need to be able to see it wothout much effort.

 

I wasn't accusing them of anything, it's just odd that the other rotated die I was looking at was also screwed up. I can see it with any other coin, but with this kind of error, seeing the error is important. Why are you people giving me crap on this? Do you own NGC or something?

 

Because you deserved it. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

By the way, I don't own NGC, but this is just one more of your ridiculous comments.

Chris

 

NGC must've screwed me over with this then.

 

I said I was wondering if they did that, I didn't accuse them of anything. They ARE putting coins in the slabs wrong, why is that my fault? McDonalds makes millions of burgers, does that mean that when they screw yours up it's ok with you because of the volume, or do you complain like a normal person because that's their job, to make burgers correctly? What is ridiculous about my comments jerk?

 

That's pretty crooked. I imagine if it was an error that you needed the coin straight for to see correctly, you might be a little more upset. I actually wouldn't buy anything like that, it would bug me that I couldn't open it and fix it.

 

I'm honestly perfectly fine with the way they put it in. Somebody paid to have it graded. The encapsulation is nothing as long as the grade is accurate.

If you have tried putting coins in capsules perfectly aligned, you'd know how hard it is. Especially when you are doing hundreds in one day. If you don't like how they encapsulate the coins, there is only one thing you can do. Get over it.

 

Actually, I can send it back in, but they still charge the $20 shipping and handling and I still have to pay the money to send it, so that's over $100 to get one coin done right. Obviously NGC screw ups are perfectly ok and I'm in the wrong for wanting it done right in the first place. You people have an attitude that sucks. I won't be back.

 

No need to send it back... just follow the easy steps outlined in this video. Not sure if it works with the newer slabs.

[video=youtube;yR_sQ8q9IBs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR_sQ8q9IBs&playnext=1&list=PL6FDF608C458D 0C1D&feature=results_main[/video]

 

Do that to an MS 70 ASE!! Yeah

 

You know, if you had just said something like, "Okay, I overreacted.", I would have told you how you could have it corrected with no further expense, but with your nasty attitude, you deserve to lose the money.

Chris