1982 Error Penny Well, What do you think?

Until I get my 50mm lense these may be the best shots I can get. Here is what you may not be able to see: The memorial is a counter sunk mirror image of the reverse. The Lincoln is over the memorial. The date is over some of the sunken memorial. There is cupping around the rim. The outside edge (side-I don't know what this is called) is not curved outward, however there is a slight u curve inward kind of like the edge of ice skate. I'm prepared to believe this was PMD-- but I'd like to know how this is possible. I've looked at this from every possible angle and I can only think it would have to be machined or some sort of resin mold. This was not done with a vise. There is no spread to the penny. Please help.

 

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Clashed die?

 

so are you leaning towards it not being pmd?

 

Are the letters raised or sunken in?

 

Liberty is legible and slightly raised over the sunken memorial -
Along the top rim there is a lot of cupping where it reads In God we Trust its also legible-the letters are flat but not sunk in.
At the lower left of the penny- the lower portion of the mirror images of the letters ITED are sunk as is the memorial

 

Although the planchet is a little rough, it is a very nice example of a clashed capped die error. The cap is a late state while the clash is an early state. This combination makes it a very nice example of this error. Wish the condition was a little better but non the less still nice.

 

I believe you have nailed this one . this is pretty much what I thought and told the op in a PM. this is unusal for this to happen and everything has to be just right. the die cap was probably so worn out that the recesses of the die had become cleared of the die cap before the die cap clashed with the die . then this planchet entered the coining chamber and was struck with the clashed die cap. I was having trouble trying to figure out why the memorial building didn't show up across Lincoln's head . after what you said this makes sense because the recessed area of Lincoln's head on the die probably had already become cleared of this part of the die cap before the clash occured.

 

Well it appears to be an error. Not fake as I originally thought.

 

We'll see Goldeneye..you weren't exactly wrong- thanks for telling me to post a thread.. I hope it's real but, until its in a little case, I won't get my hopes up. I like it though, because since accidentally finding this, my husband is carrying boxes of coins home from the bank for me- I call myself Scrooge McDuck.

 

were this a die clash, wouldnt the memorial be raised and not inclusive?

 

it also looks like the memorial crushed into the bust a little. and wouldnt a capped die leave one side of the planchet blank?

 

I know what you are seeing, this is something that has confused me, but, I don't think the memorial was crushed into the bust, but it appears the the ridge of the top of the counter sunk memorial caused the bust to raise slightly. I thought the image would be blurred more because I thought it would be an out of collar strike. I have seen clashed cap die without blank planchet.

 

"I have seen clashed cap die without blank planchet."


the actual cap, yes. but i just dont see how, if this was the cap, the memorial got stamped into the obverse. that would require another coin in between this die cap and the die. and if this were STRUCK by a die cap, i wouldnt expect the obverse design to be present in such a full state. that would require an already struck cent to have been fed in at the EXACT same orientation. im not saying it isnt a clashed die cap, i just cant figure out how it could happen.

 

the man has spoken. this is what you say it is. mind blowing. i thought it was a vice job for sure!http://www.lincolncentresource.net/forums/showthread.php?p=178044#post178044 this was struck by a die cap.

 

Thanks for taking the time to post on another forum

 

np. that is one nice error. everything that had to take place for that to happen is incredible. im sorry i doubted you.

 

dbclarke...
would you mind posting a clearer picture of this area?

 

dollar if you are wondering if this coin is real or not it is definately a real mint error in my opinion. I don't think very many folks have know about this type error for very long. I found a really nice one that sold on Ebay a few months back and it skipped by me and someone almost stole it. I have a very weird struck thru wadded up die cap coin that I put on here a while back and had a heck of a good time with it. almost everyone said it was altered and no way it is real . This is the kind of coins I love where no one thinks they are real errors. LOL

here's the awesome Ebay coin someone grabbed at a giveaway deal.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/220919580545

 

I will try again tomorrow. I took some more photos tonight and the color was really distorted. The area you are referring to is exactly as you see it - it seems the more detail I try to see, the more that's lost-- it's a dent-why? no idea. Can I ask what software program everyone is using that allow you to place arrows on the image?

 

Thank you for your response dbclarke, I really don't mind what color the coin is, I would just like to see a straight on picture in focus of the coin, esp. in the area with the arrow.
I think any photoshop program will allow arrows.