I really need some help with this coin. I'm confused. 1984 Lincoln

:welcome:Was doing my thang, searching pocket change, and BAM. This 1984 cent slapped me in the face. I instantly notcice the top of the coin. There seemed to be a cud, but it was a perfect shape, almost like a reverse clip. The letter D in "God" is partially gone, and the whole word "We" is gone. Please also note that on the very bottom piece of the clip, you can see the top of Lincoln's hair, which is completely out of place. ALSO, please take note of the discoloring on the top of the Lincoln's head on the actual coin. Lastly, on the reverse there seems to be a weakness on the C in "Cent". This coin has me excited, and I am a wet match in a cave when it comes to guessing what this is.

PLEASE!

Thank you!

 

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Very interesting - never seen anything like it. Great pics and i'm sure someone will know what it is. I'll be following this thread to learn something myself.

 

I've been sitting here since I posted it an hour and twenty minutes ago constantly hitting the refresh button, waiting for replys. hah god I really want to know what this is!

 

Bump I'm getting curious, too.

 

Really looks interesting. I know very little about errors like this, but I would definitely keep it. It could be a cud that dropped off, since it is 1984 it is a copper plated zinc, so some of the copper plating could have chipped off. Still looks like copper underneath though. I want to know too.

 

Something definitely odd, the "hair" on it is closer to the rim than a normal coin.

What does it weigh?

 

2.5g which is correct i believe

 

Absolutely, thats what I'm saying! It does not match up, which confuses me!

 

This does look somewhat like a cud but it looks more like the start of a spooned coin . It looks to me like someone has tapped on the edge of the coin to get the thin flange of metal to spread out then pushed it down on the coin. the problem I see with this scenaro is how did they keep the zinc from showing thru on the rim of the coin.

 

That seems like a lot of work to toss it back into circulation...lol
And the "clip cud" fits perfectly into the rim, no blemish, no edge, nothing!
Lastly, if someone hit a small piece of another coin onto here, wouldn't the very minor bend in the rim be the opposite way, instead of inwards?

Thanks for all your thoughts and feedback so far!

 

In my opinion it's a retained cud.

 

Interesting. What's a retained cud?

 

I changed my mind, I think it's just a regular cud. The misaligned die makes it look strange.

 

I'm no expert on errors. In fact, I know close to nothing about them and I'm just tossing this out there, but could it be a broken die strike?

 

It's a cud error. Nothing real strange about it. You will notice the weakness on the reverse directly behind the affected area. This area will not strike up due to the lack of pressure caused by the missing die area on the obverse.

 

This area that you mentioned on the reverse side of this coin is what makes me think it may be PMD. It looks like the coin has taken a hit directly in this area and created a bent place in the coin. this may have been what pushed the C in cent down. in the photos a few places appears to me like a person may be able to see up under the edge this cud looking area. I know photos can be tricky so I'm just giving my opinion and I could easy be wrong.

 

Right or wrong all opinions and thought are appreciated. I don't think PMD, but I'm gonna take it in to the local shop and see what they say Thursday.

 

I think it is a retained cud. The weak reverse almost proves that, as the cracked obverse die would not be able to produce the needed pressure to fully strike the coin in that area. A nice find, congrats!

 

That's the best way to find out for sure what you have is to let someone that knows error coins have a close up look. In the case of coin shops some of the shops don't have anyone that collects errors and other coin shops is owned by error experts. I'm hoping that you have a error coin here , there are a few things like the bent place that don't look just right.

 

Guys.....you are making this harder than it is. This is a typical cud error example, nothing exotic. I just looked it up in the Cud book and it's listed as LC-84-14. Don't waste your time taking it to a coin shop that probably has little experience in errors. You have a cud. Congratulations!