I would like to hear peoples thoughts about this coin. Criticism is welcome. I am asking for comments answering these questions I have about it. Does it have verdigris, trapped dirt or PVC damage? Is it cleaned? Knowing this is the key date in at least lower grades for the Canadian Large cents, is it an acceptable example to put in a VG to VF average grade Large cent set for you? Is it a nice type coin if you collect Canadian cents? Obviously it appears to probably have been at least wiped down at some point. How much would you value it in dollars. What is the grade? Is it a fake or genuine. Thank you, TNG
Looks like a well struck example, but it has some verdigris. Although the damage is already done, you can improve the look of the coin with some of the modern chemical cleaners. I won't name them, because I don't really encourage their use, but in this case, they may help. As far as grade, it is ungradeable with a number grade due to the verdigris, but very fine details looks correct.
I am with Kirkuleez on this one too, a VG coin won't have the amount of hair detail that your coin possesses. Corrosion aside, I would be pleased to have this in my set.
Well to me it has some environmental damage i.e. corrosion as kookoox10 points out, and verdigris accompanying, likely a coin that was buried and dug up. It certainly has an acceptable amount of detail and some appeal remaining, at the upper end of the grade range you name.
Good circulated coin from the Province of Canada If the coin has "medal alignment", then the Charlton catalog price is $100 in Fine. If the coin has "coin alignment", then the Charlton catalog shows $1,500 in Fine.
There are some recent verdigris cleaning results posted here. It will make your coin look better and arrest the verdigris...but your coin "may" not be gradable by a TPG. If you decide to use a cleaning product, I recommend you practice on low value coins first.
I appreciate the comments. Thank you, I also welcome more. I would not get it graded professionally, just want it to look good enough in my Canadian cent set. Nobody has suspected PVC yet which is the killer for this coin. The rest I can live with if arrested. I am aware of that situation, In the book it shows this as ↑↑ Medal ↑↓ Coinage
I don't have it yet. I am sure it is the medal, I am banking on the lesser valuable variety. If I am wrong then I'll do a jig!
I am off the hook for doing a jig. The coin sold for $100.99 including shipping. Right on with the price estimate there Collect89. I am being more frugal than that, and hoping to spend around $75.00 tops for a bit more eye appealing example.
I got one this morning on eBay from a good seller I have been dealing with that is ICCS graded at F-15 with rotated dies ( but to what degree, I do not know - I am sure it is the medal alignment though ) and appears to be problem free. Very happy about it. :hail:
The photo and the crud make it impossible to tell you which of the 27 Obv working dies struck your coin, nor any of the reverse dies for the same reason. You have a VF example of a pretty good coin, struck fairly early in the mintage cycle. Since you have a full vine at leaf 7, it is one of the 16 Reverse working dies that struck this (after 16 damage occurred to the hub) .. after that, the hub broke at leaf 7 (leaves are CW from 12:00) so all others will have the start and finish of a break in the vine there(it gets larger with each new die made). Although the books in the past have put the mintage at 421,000, newer research (most by rob Turner and his books) show the 1858 mintage to be about 1.5 million. Your crud on the coin does not appear to be the hard green corrosive kind. Try some acetone if the crap is fairly soft (it will not hurt the bronze if used and moved gently with a cotton swab or very soft toothbrush. You will have to practice on much less valuable stuff first. Gentle, gentle, gentile and be sure to rinse with distilled water. I think that it is PVC or a chemical exposure similar to it that caused it, rather than buried. Once you get it, send me good photos and I'll tell you which dies it came from and the approx percentage of the coins that the die struck. All '58's are keepers.
Bill in Burl, I think you assessed the coin pictured in the top section of this topic by me. I did not win that coin, I thought I might but it went just a bit higher than I was willing to pay for it. The coin I have purchase is this one which is not very easy to see in the ICCS flip. I do however appreciate your efforts to help me out with the fine knowledge you have. Here is my coin which is "in the mail". I think that the plastic is making the coin look awful but that it is an illusion and the coin itself is OK. I like my seller and we'll just have to see what shows up in the mail.
You have to be able to see any tell-tale die cracks and slight letter repunching to tell which working die (and the approx population of that die out there) that your coin was struck from. Rob Turner's website will help you track it down if you don'y have photos. I have a problem with Brian (ICCS) putting "rotated dies" on that coin.... there has always been discussion about what is at the "bottom" of the 58/59 Obverse. Is it when the "Canada" is centered or a spot that is half way between to V of Victoria and the A in Regina? Also, the little bit that it possibly COULD be rotated is miniscule and certainly means nothing .. it actually could detract from a higher grade coin. Anything less than 30 degrees shouldn't be mentioned. Here is a portion of Rob Turner's website ... a presentation he made at the RCNA annual. Even if you don't collect varieties, it tells you a great deal about numismatics, strikings, and what to look for: http://www.victoriancent.com/uploads/8/3/9/9/8399962/calgary_presentation_pdf.pdf
