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Well I can't speak for the others but I can say that I have received nothing and all communication HCSC/Blake King has halted.

 

Time to file charge backs.

 

I said it before in the other thread, and I'll say it in this one... when you see a seller offering a bunch of inexpensive coins ($10.00 to $15.00 range) with normal terms and conditions, then a few weeks (or months) later offers numerous coins in the $1000 plus range with extreme terms (which the particular seller in question did)... well, I see more red flags than a twenty car NASCAR wreck. Overall, I think CT's BST forum is an excellent venue for coin transactions; but you have to use a little common sense.

 

I don't do business with CT members I don't know personally because the risks far outweighs the benefits (imo).

Forget about the current situation for a moment...if I were a bad actor and wanted to target someone for a home invasion, I would offer an attractive coin (that the target collects and needs) at a very reasonable price. I would make excuses not to sell to others until I get my fish on the line. I would sell, then perform social engineering and reconnaissance on the target (based on the PII information I gather during the sale) until I'm ready to make a move.

I may be paranoid...but, it could happen! :kewl:

...that's why I never store coins in my home! :thumb:

 

Yak, nobody's comin' to town to knock you off. Cyberspace? Maybe..........

 

LOL, they better not...I GOT A GUN!!! :sniper:

 

I hope this thread stays open...
I want to hear updates and the final outcome.

I also think that if there is a scammer in our group, he should be outted, and this should stand as a warning to others who may unknowingly attempt to do business with said scammer. As much info should be shared as possible, incase the scammer makes a new identity here and tries to continue as a new alias. If key info is posted, such as mailing addies and such, it will be harder for the scammer to continue, at least in this venue.

 

Usually addresses get removed/edited out pretty quickly is they're posted...

 

What you are doing is suggesting that the forum and Peter shoulder the blame in case someone with less than legally sound evidence takes it on themselves to "out" someone because his mail was delayed or other factors. Privacy is quite important to the forum. It doesn't require any actual type of ID to register, such as a credit card, copy of Driver license, etc. nor even country of residence where other laws may apply. How would you feel if someone with faulty info outted you, or posted a mod's or administrator, or any members physical address in response to an infraction given?

Scamming or any other suggested offenses, not covered by the rules is left to the mods and administrators options, not to individuals members. Such actions will result in severe infractions. The forum can't patrol scamming, nor limit the foolishness of buyers or sellers looking for a "rip", so it is not judgmental of whether someone got scammed or not.

If you think you got scammed, report the information to your local law enforcement agency, not on a publically visible forum that has no responsibility in the matter.

IMO,

Jim

 

I have not received my $1275 in coins from HCSC either. I haven't tried to communicate since the 5 straight days I emailed and called with no response. My cc company hopefully will resolve, but apparently HCSC is still an active member on CT. That's saddening to me. cT for sale also has a guy posting certified gold coins who wants payment by bank wire to Malaysia..... And has only been a member for a month. I think this may be the last post I make on this site.

 

Has anyone checked the other BST's on other forums to see if this person has done the same thing there? If it worked here, he may have done it on other sites (maybe under a different identity).

 

its not against the rules to sell coins if you live in maylasia. i wouldnt trust it, but he has a right to sell here

 

I never recieved my payment for coins he "bought"
I asked about payment and he never responded. Oh well.

 

w1a9c8k5, I agree with Doug. For the record, I deal with sellers in China, Indonesia, Thailand, Russia, Ukraine, etc. A country never makes a bad dealer, the person himself does.

CT cannot do something until something has been settled or proven. This whole mess is really unusual for CT, so I would not judge the entire site by this one occurence, though it was unfortunate.

Chris

 

I'm involved with this, and was not posting intentionally until more information was available, but I'll chime in now. I figure since we're talking about it, it's out in the open and if he was going to bolt, he likely may have already, so it's moot.

I exchanged PMs with HCSC a couple weeks ago, in which he promised a full refund, to all. Not waiting on his word, I have filed a complaint request with google wallet to proceed with the recovery that way. I have waited the time needed for initial steps to happen (you have to wait 5 business days for a response from the seller in order to go to the next step). Waiting for results and will go from there.

In the meantime I have filed complaints with the Inspector's office with the USPS for mail fraud, as well as filed an initial complaint with the Internet Crime bureau of the FBI (www.ic3.gov). I have not received any updates yet on those cases, but due to volume they say it could be a few weeks before a response and a case is picked up. I am about to contact my local Sheriff's department to file a local claim, and am possibly going to call down to the local PD where his supposed mailing address is, to file a complaint down there.

I will not let this rest until something happens. I'm not counting on recovering my money at this point, but if I do, then it'll be a bonus. I will report back whatever the outcome is, when said outcome happens.

However, in the meantime I've still been posting here and have bought subsequent things from members through here and via ebay. I've been happy with the folks I've dealt with, and have just been much more careful about the entire transaction. I've been dealing with internet forums long enough to realize that no matter what is said, sometimes bad stuff happens, and you just have to deal with it individually. You can't judge everyone on one bad apple, and I'm responsible for myself to make decisions good or bad, and deal with the consequences.

For the other member with a lot of gold being sold, although I know nothing about it, I'm going to stay away from buying simply due to this past experience. However, I hold nothing against them if they are legitimate and I will not judge until I know otherwise, but I will just let others test the waters first this time...

 

Good job Prime Mover.

As Edmund Burke put it: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

About the new sellers that people are talking about in the past few posts, I won't be buying any $1000+ items from them just yet. I'm not saying they are scammers, but I do want to make sure that a person has invested enough time and effort in building a reputation here that it wouldn't be worth it for them to do that just to run a scam.

Perhaps I should make a formula to calculate my own credit limit for sellers on CT: ((20 * number of months of membership on CT) + (number of posts / 10) * (.5*(number of successful transactions I've had with them + 1))) + (20 if they have paid for a subscription to CT)

For the member from Malaysia who has been a member since Jul 2012 and has 22 posts, the amount I'd be willing to risk with him using this formula would be $11.

 

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I am currently in 2 disputes. 1 is through paypal thank goodness. I'm just saying maybe there should be a time line or post time frame where someone can sell stuff on the website. Lets say (like other sites) 250 posts to post things for sale. You will maybe weed out some potential scammers because they don;t want to spend hte hours posting. You will at least give the other CT members a chance to read some of the sellers post and activity. Maybe giving them a chance to judge the person based off a large quantity of posts, not 22.

I'm not saying any of this should be done, but i do think being able to make up a free account and list $1000's of coins instantly is a little absurd. Whether your are a scammer or a 100% legit dealer

 

Wow, you would be willing to risk like $400 on me!! Now I just need to find a coin worth $400 that I could even sell...