Grading Troubles

http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=131229&lotNo=24919#Photo

How is something like this a '65?

Worse was this

http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=131231&lotNo=28297#Photo

I look at this and see it as a clear 62.

 

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I think the second link is accurate, i guess it depends on how strict you are, first one is overgraded though imo.

 

How can it be a 65 with that many contact marks on the face?

 

Never said it was a 65 Ruben, But I agree with you, sadly PCGS views it otherwise.

 

this is being graded as a 65? With all these marks? Her throat is slit.

 

Sorry, you agree with the first

My appologies. Although I can't see the the second one should be a 64. A 64 should be problem free with no more than 3 -5 bag marks....hardly a definition that can be applied to the second example.

 

No no no Ruben, those are wrinkles! If you were 131 years old, you would have some too!

 

I see my mrbrklyn persona is not working anymore I
m flattered that everyone in this bar knows me.

 

Who is mrbrklyn?

 

Not according to PCGS;

I have seen 67's with 3-5 bag marks (all-be-it tiny baggies).

 

Then they suck. Its also not consistent with what I generally see.

 

Red Book

IMO - they both qualify for this definition

 

Possibly the PCGS graded Morgan may have been slid up one grade because it's a Carson City strike, and a GSA Morgan.

The NGC graded Morgan, at least 2 points higher than it deserves.

 

Or, perhaps, you're not as good of a grader as you think you are -- and you're using a photo.

 

p.s. the first coin in question seems to me to be an example of the CC grade bump -- but remember we're looking at a crappy Heritage photo.

 

Anybody else seeing the bid 64 ​that I am?

 

I have no doubt in my mind about that. It is an easy 63. How can they miss by two grades.

BTW - in case you wanted to know, ICG will have a table at the Phili show with deals on grading.

 

We have the following service.

For standard grading it will cost yah $39.95

For serious grading, $62.95

For accurate grade, call for pricing.

 

That's the point to what I stated Ruben. They slid the grade up on that two points because of what the coin is.

A Carson City Morgan, and a GSA Hoard Morgan.

I'm willing to bet if that dollar was not a GSA coin, it wouldn't have been over-graded like it was, it would have had to hold it's own as a CC Morgan.