Grade of a 1812 Capped Bust Half

I wish I could get better images of this coin through the glass but how about
a grade on this bust. This coin is supposed to have edge letter doubling, but i can not
see it in the slab. I don't like these slabs, You still can not see the edge and they
obstruct the faces.

 

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XF40

Tough to see the clasp, but it's a shot 45.

-Brian

EDIT: And why are you trying to make certified coins look like they're raw? :rollling:

 

Obverse is reminiscent of Al Jolson.

XF-40

 

Yeah - there is no clasp. i don't know much about these coins, but it looks like there was never a clasp.

 

Ya let the cat out of the bag too soon on this one Ruben, I would've like to have seen more 'community' takes on this one......

 

Nothing stops you. That grade isn't from Har Sinai to Moshe. I wanted to get a decent picture up and that is about the best I could get.

 

Yeah. As far as I can tell, the clasp is missing on this overton type which is a 106. In fact, as far as i can tell, the last coin on this link

http://busthalf.com/1810_-_1812.html

is the same die combination my coin has.





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[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]1812 Capped Bust Half Dollar[/FONT]
[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]XF45 O-106 R3[/FONT]

[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]Heavy die cracks on both the obverse and reverse.[/FONT]
[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]$655.00 [/FONT]
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Nice coin - I would have said XF-40 also from the first set of pictures. You can really see the weak strike across the obverse.

 

Hmmm... I'll take a stab and say XF-45, lol.

 

Maybe this is a better photograph

 

Wow that's one of the weakest struck , Bust halves I've seen . They must have really turned the pressure down to prolong the dies .
Wonder how they did that before steam power . Great date though , been looking for a decent one .

 

hmm

http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/capp_bust_half_dollars.html

 

BTw - that seems to be the nature of the o-102..

 

Weakly struck 45.

 

Actually the reverse is pretty well struck , wonder if they just widened the dies . My Guess on holding down the pressure was the workman just didn't put all they had into it . Since they were screw presses , I wonder if they had a means of controlling pressure at all . Will have to look into it .

 

Depth of the recesses in the dies was also a major factor in how well the devices were struck.

Typically, the deeper the recesses, the weaker the strike... And the shallower the recesses, the better the strikes would turn out.

-Brian

 

I don't think it had anything to do with striking pressure or die spacing. It was likely about the die itself.

Central devices were on the master die. Working dies had peripheral devices hand stamped (which gave us all the wonderful varieties). So weaknesses in things like the bust hair or clasp were due to the characteristics of the working die.

If it were due to die erosion then there would be crisper, EDS examples of the marriage. My friend Mozin ATS has a 106 with a much clearer clasp and stronger details throughout, e.g. Yet virtually all 106's I've seen, including his, have stars drawn to the edge which is typical for a strike from a worn die.

Lance.

 

I think that coin was hard to grade as much related to the toning as strike. I always found those dark CBH's to be harder to grade unless in hand and you can turn them at an angle to the light. If you overexposed it maybe it would be a little easier for us to see the details.

Overall, yeah a light strike. Not really a 45 I would want unless I knew that strike was indicative of the variety, and its been way too long for me to remember all of those details.

Nice coin and post.

 

Well, it has double edge writing if that matters.