The "Weary" thread has been locked so.....

I’d like to send a heartfelt thank you out to everyone who felt the need to make inane and futile comments on the “A little weary about a purchase” thread. If indeed HCSC is running a scam you all have played directly into his hands by making useless comments and getting the thread locked. The only losers are those of us with something invested, literally invested within this deal,
I’m new, very new to this site and honestly the only reason that I came here is because of the advice/recommendation of one of the moderators. I’m beginning to wonder just why I took that advice.

 

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Very sorry to hear it sir.

To anyone else reading this, I would say to always be cautious buying over the internet, and spend some time to get to know people here before trusting anyone. Look to see how long they have been a member, how many posts they have, and ask what others think about them. All of that should be part of your due diligence before deciding anything.

Not to say ANYONE who may lose money is at fault. Just throwing out some general recommendations.

I hope you stay John and see how great a place CT can be.

Chris

 

The advice you received to come to the site may have been terrific, but one has to be responsible with their financial dealings and deals that appear to be too good to be true...well...

 

No argument, nor do I blame anyone else for any decision I make but usless bantering about the spelling of a word and the last few comments that got the thread locked are the point here.

 

I agree and think you are absolutely correct. I also hope this is all resolved to your satisfaction as well as the satisfaction of the other members who made good faith attempts at a transaction.

 

Very true sir and it was a shame I agree. Especially the last few really were over the line in my view. No matter the discussion that was not needed.

 

If the thread stayed alive, how would that help you?

 

Well let me be the first to return your heartfelt thank you for being new enough to the forum and calling someone elses opinion inane and futile. You have no idea if they had anything invested or not. Besides, if it is a scam, a comment on that thread wasn't going to change that.

 

I'm very sorry to hear about your disappointment. I've been looking over your (original) thread, and overall most of the advice seems pretty straightforward and serious, save for the final page of the thread. Hopefully you'll enjoy the other threads of this great site more.

 

i would not worry about weary threads and concentrate on getting your money back. just because people make jokes doesnt mean we dont care.

 

I'm not sure why it got locked, but getting upset about what other people wrote it isn't going to help anything.

It could have been the fact that we seem to have come to the conclusion that he was running a scam, or it could have been from the hitman comments, but I apologize for nothing. The hitman comments were obviously made in jest. My comment about someone in Florida paying him a visit was in no way intended to condone any sort of violence, but rather a peaceful confrontation:

"Hello, my name is X. I paid you for some coins you had for sale on cointalk and I have been unsuccessful in my attempts to contact you online or on the telephone, so I thought I'd visit you in person. Can you provide me with tracking information on the package you sent to me? If not, I would like a refund."

I have heard a few stories of people doing something like this with good results. It takes the anonymity out of the Internet and lets people know they're dealing with a real person. And before someone jumps on me for suggesting such an action, no, it isn't inherently dangerous to interact with your fellow human in person. People used to do it all the time before the Internet came along. Heck, if you're nervous, then have the police accompany you to his residence.

The simple fact of the matter is that the person who started the thread because of legitimate concerns that he had, as well as any other person who might have sent money to this person, is now aware of a few things they might not have known before. Hopefully they can use that information to make an educated decision as to what they will do next.

Has anyone been scammed? I don't know for certain, but it sure does seem as though something fishy is going on. In an effort to help the good people of cointalk, I made it known that I believe they might have been scammed. If that's why the thread got locked, so be it. I'm not going to tippy toe around an issue like this for fear of hurting HCSC's feelings. He's (presumably) an adult and can defend himself. If I were in his shoes, I'd have been all over that thread doing just that.

The thread is still there. Anyone who is involved can still read what was written. Nothing has been lost, except his name and mailing address that was posted, but anyone involved would likely know that. The brief time that it was available led to the discovery of other business names and websites that he's used to either sell coins or operate a TPC. All of which adds to the overall fishiness of the situation.

I don't see how anyone "played directly into his hands". I don't even see where anyone could be accused of libel if that's where you were headed. Everything I wrote was either verifiably true or stated as opinion.

I'm sorry that you got caught up in this and I hope you've already filed a formal complaint with the USPS or the FBI or whoever else might handle these type of situations. As I said in the other thread, if it turns out that everything is on the up and up, then it will all work itself out in the end.

 

John- Your rant is misdirected anger as a psychological defense to your denial of failing to be prudent. Be angry with yourself, and the person you believe responsible.

 

John sorry that you ran into trouble. I hope that this guy comes through and you were not swindled by a selfish crook. If I were you, depending on the amount, I would hire a forensic detective. They could possibly track the ip adress and you could hand that information over to the authorities.

 

My only contribution to the locked thread was this early post directed to the OP w1a9c8k5:

I don't know HCSC. What does HCSC stand for & do you have a link I could surf with? I'm just curious. Sorry I can't be of much help.

I suspect that if I had all this crummy information about a transaction, I might call my credit card company for advice.

I am subscribing to this new thread only because I would like to have closure on this HCSC subject when it is known.

Good luck to all those at CT that have paid for the coins.

 

I have never bought or sold on CT, but it may be a good idea to come up with a thread in which people can report positive buy/sell/trade transactions with CT members to help better inform people. :smile TC

 

^^^ Especially when you're dealing with an amount of money that you cannot afford to lose.

If you're buying something for <$10 and they take your money and run, well that's a pretty cheap way to find out who not to buy from.

 

First off, do not take this as me trying to shift blame or responsibility off of buyers for doing their research, but merely suggesting another way to assist that, here.

Some sort of rating system within this site could help, or even a single place where threads can be put up for feedback on transactions/posts, specifically for that purpose (maybe appropriately within the for-sale sub-forum). You're allowing people to post things for sale, so allow people to help others by providing valuable information and feedback in an easy readable manner.

I'm a member of several other boards, and one in particular uses something called "iTrader", which is a feedback/rating system integrated into their forum software (they use vBulletin, I haven't looked into what you use here). Anyone who sells anything through the forum or outside of it can be rated (much like ebay). Within every post - just like there's info on when they joined, how many posts, likes, etc - their feedback rating is shown as well so it's very easy to see whether a person might be reputable or not. No, it isn't the end-all/be-all trust maker, but it helps as it's one extra thing to advise on credibility direct from users of this board.

As a new member I obviously haven't built any rapport with people yet, and I'm sure if I just started PM'ing people out of the blue about "who is this person, have you ever dealt with them, etc", I may start annoying them, quickly. Most folks seem to be pretty accommodating and helpful, but why bother them more than you have to.

Just my opinion.

 

While I understand your points, I still think it's yet another tool for people to use to help them make informed decisions. Is it perfect, no, but it can help. And, I disagree with your comparison of eBay to a site like this.

eBay is just a marketplace, with magnitudes of people just looking to sell and buy things, period. The ratio of noise and scum-baggery is obviously much higher, with hundreds of millions of users, compared to a few thousand registered members, and even fewer regulars here. Plus, there's no other interaction with users there, beyond seller inquiries about the product.

Here, people are interacting and discussion their passions every day. You can quickly get a feel for who people are by their posts and general discussion. You can see how long they've been around, and read their posts to see what their experiences and knowledge levels may be. You might decide to trust those folks, and if something is said from one of them about "these guys are reputable", or "I had a bad experience with x,y and z", it may help the decision making process. Am I going to trust it implicitly? I shouldn't, but again, it may help.