Misattributed Slabbed Mercury

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  1. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    One would think there would be something more universal.

    This standard in particular seems surprisingly low for the "best" TPG.
     
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  3. HULLCOINS

    HULLCOINS Junior Member

    My sentiments exactly.
    And the benefit of excellent customer service.
     
  4. USMoneylover

    USMoneylover Active Member

    For a comparison here is a PCGS MS65FB designated dime. Personally I think the bands aren't as full as the NGC example and from what I've heard, NGC is tougher to get FB than PCGS.
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  5. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    hmmm interesting. I wonder if you cracked that if it would get FB designation again.
     
  6. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    Designations
    PCGS assigns the following attributes where appropriate:
    Full Band (FB) - Mercury Head Dimes – the central bands on the fasces on the reverse should be completely separated from left to right, without any breaks, marks or gaps. Note: PCGS may designate in grades of 60 and higher.
     
  7. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    Looks like a question, quacks like a question, it's a question.
     
  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    An attribution is an identification as in identifying a particular type or variety. Typically an attribution is objective and verifiable. A designation is usually more opinion based and usually relates more to appearance, color, or quality of strike. A designation tends to be more subjective, I say this is fullbands someone else says it isn't. Different people or groups can have different standards for the same designation.
     
  9. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    I just want to make this point again. The break in the middle band to the right is PART of the DESIGN.
     
  10. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    This is one of those instances where it is critical to know which TPG is harder on a specific series. As you can see, NGC is clearly harder on Mercury Dimes. But, there are some series's that PCGS is more critical with than NGC. So, it's important to now that.

    But remember, if the middle set of bands is full...the others SHOULD be full as well. PCGS assumes they are. This is because the middle bands are the highest posts and thus is the first area to show a weakened strike.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Crop a pic and circle what you're talking about Ruben so I know for sure exactly what you are talking about. But there is no break in the middle band that is supposed to be there.
     
  12. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Can't do that in the where I am, but as soon as i get home.
     
  13. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    heritage_merc_rev_2.jpg

    this is from an NGC FB coin.
     
  14. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Well then is NGC the better Mercury Dime graded?
     
  15. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    What it means is that NGC is more strict when it comes to determining if a coin is FB or not. So, any coin that NGC says is FB should also be if it were slabbed by PCGS...however, a PCGS slabbed FB coin may not meet NGC FB standards.

    But then again, in theory...if the middle bands are full all the bands should be because they are the highest point where strike weakness would first be evident. Since FB is an indication of strike quality...then a full set of middle bands should be enough. This doesn't take into account any possible dings that may have occurred.
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Thank you, now I know what you are talking about and understand.

    This is the coin in question that started this thread -

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    This is what it is supposed to look like -

    1945-10c-rev.jpg


    See the difference ?

    A bit of a misunderstanding because of terminology really. What you are calling a break, and what I am calling a break, are not the same thing. What you are referring to is the separation of the banding wrapping the fasces together near the end of the top band - yes, that is supposed to be there.

    What I call a break is when something that is supposed to be there is missing. As I said, look at the 2 pics I posted and you will see the difference. The first pic has something missing - a break.
     
  17. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    The same is true with the FBL designation on Franklin halves. NGC looks at both sets of lines, PCGS only the bottom set.
     
  18. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Are you talking about the horizontal split in the middle band?
     
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    One more time and then I give up -

    1945-10c-rev.jpg

    062512_cert048.jpg


    If you can't see it now, you need new glasses.
     
  20. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

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