Coin/token thingy identification

Hey everyone. Finally received this coin/token/jetton thingy I bought as part of a lot containing Great Britain and Australian coins.

On one side is a rooster/chicken and on the other side is a bull/cow. It measures 31.8mm, weighs about 11 grams, a smooth edge, and is made of what appears to be copper.

I have some OCD about not knowing what I have in my collection. So this situation is perturbing me. The seller didn't know what it is.

If anyone can lead me in the right direction, I'll love you forever!!!





Thank you,
Brian

 

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Very cool,but I have no idea what it is.:smile

 

Cock and bull as in Cock and Bull story, But not sure what it refers to or where it's from.

 

That could be a token for a tavern or other establishment called the "Cock and Bull". That could explain why it's nice, yet has not any lettering on it to identify it. Simply having a Cock (Rooster) on one side and a Bull on the other might have been all that was needed for a local place somewhere.

 

Hmm, good thoughts! I forgot another name for rooster is cock. This makes sense regarding the cock and bull being together on the token.


Unfortunately, I don't know that I'll ever know for sure what this coin is. I can't find any similar coins in google image search.

Thank you

 

Kasia may have something there Brian. Counterstampers sometimes employ what's called a rebus, a symbol that represents a name or place or something else. Rather than stamp their last name, such as Cannon on a coin, they will use a stamp showing an actual cannon. On your token the animals may be a rebus for "Cock & Bull", maybe a tavern or hotel like Kasia says.

Bruce

 

Kasia is probably on the right track. I don't see any markings that would indicate who the designer may have been. It looks more like it could be bronze rather than copper. Is there any marking stamped into the edge?

I don't know if it will help, but the rooster is also a favorite on many French designs, both coins and medals. Perhaps this can help you in your search.

Chris

 

could be totaly wrong, but it looks like the modern version of this one to me:

Description:
Thessaly-Euboea
Thessaly-Euboea, Karystos, Euboea
Estimate: CHF 6'000.00
Stater (Silver, 7.96 g 12), first half of the 3rd century. Cow standing right, head turned back toward calf suckling to left. Rev. Cock standing to right. BCD 570 (this coin). Robinson 27 (same dies). Lightly toned, sharp and perfectly centered; one of the finest known example of this type. Extremely fine.
From the Star and BCD collections, Lanz 111, 25 November 2002, 570.

 

what ever it is its neat :yes:

 

I remember seeing these in England many years ago when I took a long overdue vacation and went to Europe, U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Greece.

I forget the story behind it but, I do remember it had some relation to an English pub. They use it much like bars here in the U.S. use a token or shot glass to indicate you have another drink coming that someone bought for you.

Another English jargen in their pubs is the bartender's warning to patrons to mind their Ps&Qs. Meaning to tend to your own Pints and Quarts and stay out of a debate between two other patrons. Over there, they don't go for other people butting into a debate or dispute between two people, and the bartender actually grabs a wooden stick and will start sweeping it down the bar and warning patrons to mind their Ps&Qs, and if you don't, you might find those pints and quarts knocked off the bar and you'll be out a drink.

 

Your english is very good but your coin depicts a cow

Hello Koen,

In English, a "bull" is a male bovine animal. The female counterpart to a bull is what we call a "cow" in English.

Your coin depicts a cock & cow (I think).

 

Cool! Thank you everyone for your help I feel like I have a better understanding of what it may be and where from now.

BUncirculated, I am glad you have seen one of these for and remember where. Just to clarify, do you recognize this coin specifically or something similar?

 

You are udderly mistaken!

I've studied a little anatomy and can tell you with absolute certainty that that is a bull!

 

I grew up on a farm and never knew one calf to milk from a bull.

Not sure about bovines in Belgium, but here in the States, just not the case.

 

While this is a common explanation for "Mind Your P's and Q's," it's only speculation, and hasn't been shown to be more true than any other explanation offered. In fact, it's probably not correct. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/761/whats-the-origin-of-the-expression-mind-your-ps-and-qs

 

here its also like that

Was just thinking out loud with what i posted

 

The bull appears to wearing a garland of flowers. Would that be a reference to the Spanish bull who refused to fight matadors so he could admire flowers? Or maybe a religious image from an Indian religion where bulls are decorated with garlands like that? Seems like it might be significant.

 

There is another source for finding images, www.tineye.com -- at the moment, however, it has only two billion images, far behind Google. You enter the URL of the image, or upload an image from your own computer files, and it looks for the original source on the Internet. Especially useful for postcard collectors, and will sometimes confirm that one eBay seller has "lifted" an image from another seller. It's free.

 

It would come in handy the next time you are invited to a wedding and can"t decide to order the chichen or the beef!

 

Hi! I have a little history about your coin!!
My grandpa who’s name is Lou Aprato had a restaurant called the Cock n Bull! This was back in the 50’s or 60’s. It was on Sunset Blvd & La Brea in Los Angeles California. And I’m guessing the coin has something to do with that because I have the exact same coin i just found in my collection of Cock N Bull memorabilia along with pictures and newspaper clippings about my grandpa and his restaurant. I wish I knew more. I know that my grandpa was a huge coin collector. Hope this helps some!