chain cent

1793 chain cent ,
struck on thin planchet ,
measure's approx. 27mm
weight approx . 11.9g

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This coin does not resemble any of the known Chain Cent die varieties - S.2 though S.4 or NC.1 - None of the diagnostics match-up, and overall, the coin just doesn't look right.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I think your coin is a modern, Chinese (most likely) counterfeit.

... But let's wait for more opinions to be certain. I am by no means an E.A.C. expert.

-Brian

EDIT: Just noticed you included the weight and diameter of your piece. Considering that a genuine Chain Cent should weigh apx. 13.5 grams, I'm almost certain that your coin is a fake.

 

is it this type?http://images.goldbergauctions.com/p...&sale=54&lot=3

i was also told on a previous post that the weight could be off because of a thin planchet or wrong planchet
i have also read that a thin plachet could cause the lettering to be wider then normal

 

Help me understand what you see on the edge. These old eyes can't make much from the edge pics. Thanks

 

its a faint vine and bar,,,,, similar to http://www.ebay.com/itm/1793-Flowin...65?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item3371828391
or http://ansmagazine.com/files/Spring05/cab1793.jpg

 

The reason the edge is different from all other types is because the coin is counterfeit, and the Chinese don't typically go as far as too get edge lettering, reeding, or staring patterns spot on.

-Brian

 

well if its a fake,,, I'm sure they just didn't make one,,
show me another

 

Why? Its proven to be false, so its false.

I never understood those who want to see another example of their fake coin. Why do they need that except they refuse to believe they aren't holding $100,000 in their hands?

Weight was very tightly controlled, even for copper coins. It was legally proscribed, so if there isn't major damage that may explain significant weight loss, the weight difference is pretty conclusive this piece is wrong, let alone other things. Only if you could prove this coin was struck on a half cent planchet, (the only other copper planchets around the mint), would your argument make sense.

As to an incorrect planchet making letter too wide, I don't see why that would be the case.

Chris

 

Sorry but I have to say fake. Not only does it not look right but the weight is way to off from 13.5g even for accounted wear

 

http://www.pcgs.com/books/earlycents/Oops-001.aspx

 

Sunflower Girl,

The fact is you have a chain cent that is very light. Your problem is much larger than convincing this board that it is genuine. To sell the cent you would need to convince a buyer to part with a large sum of money on cent that is not the proper weight. That is a monumnetal task.

The only way to do that is to get the cent certified buy a TPG. So if you believe the cent is real, send it in, or if you you choose to accept the help of the fine people on this board, you can save yourself the cost of certification.

You see the bottome line is a chain cent that is in decent shape and weighs 11.9 grams is a counterfeit until proven otherwise. So if you believe it is real, prove it. All that needs to be done is send it in for certification. No fuss, no muss, no arguments.

Mike

 

Btw, do you happen to also own a Continental Curency dollar? Maybe one with an unusual marking around the interior?

 

Here is a little eye-opener for the skeptics -- a metal hamper full of "millions of dollars worth" of fake Chinese Indianheads, large cents, and half cents, all lovingly rendered in Gem BU...

 

That pic is from this about.com set of pics: http://coins.about.com/od/worldcoins/ig/Chinese-Counterfeiting-Ring/Fake-Chinese-Coin-Dies.htm
I don't see your chain cent die there, but it could be nearby.

 

Thanks, Lon, I had never seen the other 23 images!

 

The guy who was running that "mint" pictured on about.com did do the coin in question. It is is copy of S-2. I mentioned this in the thread she did in the US coins forum. Here are pictures of his chain cent. Notice the same shallow relief and the unusually heavy chain on the reverse. Also the same prominent rim above LIBERTY and ridge below the date.

 

Seeing the pics of that operation is quite disheartening.
Well, that traces the origins of the OPs coin then, I guess.

 

I am told, and perhaps someone can confirm, that one of the quick tests for Chinese counterfeits is that they have problems getting the strike squarely and evenly on the planchet.

I have noticed in silver dollars, for instance, that some have a 0.1mm wider/narrower rim than directly across the diameter of the coin, i.e., 2 o'clock vs. 8 o'clock, etc.

 

After seeing those fakes, maybe I'll just buy stuff that's VF and below.

 

His fakes also come "well circulated" from accelerated wear.