Miss Graded Mercs

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  1. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

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  3. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    It looks to me like there are a couple really small nicks in the diagonal bands at the bottom right, and top left(near the blade on the fasces) Definitely well struck and in the spirit of the full band grade(if that makes any sense), but technically no FB.
     
  4. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    What? Since when are full bands judged on anything but the center bands? I was unaware of that.
     
  5. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    I thought 'Miss Graded Mercs' was some sort of beauty contest but it turns out to be misgraded Mercs.
     
  6. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    It is my understanding that Full bands means full bands. The center band is at the highest point, so generally if they are complete the rest should be, but not always. JMO I have been wrong before once or twice.
     
  7. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    How is your punctuation crusade coming?
     
  8. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

  9. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Did I use the wrong punctuation??!!??
     
  10. Dimefreak

    Dimefreak Senior Member

    Do you have the coin in hand? If so I bet the bands are flat. Also it appears that the bands are not fully split as I see to chunks of metal between the bands.
     
  11. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    I don't know. One thing against it is that the reverse seems to have extensive mechanical doubling.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    With PCGS only the center band must be full and unbroken. With NGC all 3 bands must be full and unbroken.

    With this coin, the center band is not full and unbroken.
     
  13. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Looks correctly graded to me.
     
  14. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    You mean like with these two MS63FSB's and this MS64FSB?

    1919-D 18149847 PCGS MS63 FSB-BandsM.jpg 1919-D 14782581 PCGS MS63 FSB-BandsM.jpg 1919-D 06729568 PCGS MS64 FSB-BandsM.jpg

    Personally, I think the coin was misgraded as PCGS just didn't want to guarantee tha huge price jump from non-FSB ($675) to FSB ($4,000)
     
  15. Dimefreak

    Dimefreak Senior Member

    To the OP- I am sure your probably aware that there is a $4K spread in price between bands and no bands. If this was some cheap date you might.... might get it through as FB. Giving the price difference PCGS has to picky on this one. If I am paying $4k for some FB's and they're not true FB's how do ou think I would feel? What you have there is a smart purchase in my mind. So close its a couple nanometers away from being a $4500 coin yet it was purchased at a fraction of that cost. I personally like it a lot!
     
  16. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    hes. Upon bringing it home, we photographed it and then put the pictures on the net, asking what others thought of the grade. The question occurs is whether or not the coin is actually full banded, with the focus on the middle two bands on the reed. [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Further shots were inconclusive, although it seems that the coin was not Full Bands, despite being a very distinct strike. Furthermore, in the light of the photographs, the reverse of the coin shows die polish which drops the grade a little more. Although these polish lines on the fields of the dime are barely vissible with the eye, they stand out with the magnification.

    Finally, the reeds themselves have been blown up under magnification. These photographs seem to conclude that the coin was not full reeds, although it is very close.
    [​IMG] Bottom reeds (upside down)
    [​IMG] Middle Reeds
    [​IMG] Middle Reeds
    [​IMG] Top Reeds
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Actually I think all 3 of those are pretty iffy. The last one maybe, I sure wouldn't call the first 2 FB.

    I do understand your point though. But if the coin really was FB, then they'd have nothing to worry about. So by your reasoning, they don't really think it's FB either.
     
  18. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    This is just another example of why people need to learn how to grade and even if the coin is slabbed still evaluate it for themselves.
     
  19. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    That's the answer. The center band is broken.
     
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