Grade of this SLQ?

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  1. Detecto92

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  3. Morgandude11

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  4. Detecto92

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  5. pumpkinpie

    pumpkinpie what is this I don*t even

  6. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    (VG10) That's my guess.
     
  7. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    You like ophans. That's okay; your not
    the only one who does.

    Nice photos.
     
  8. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    I'll say a VF-20. I would agree with an F-12 but it's a SLQ. I give a little on the grades for them (OK; I'm a cheater).
     
  9. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    Oh yeah, I'll say FINE.
     
  10. mcrow24

    mcrow24 New Member

    I would say F12, maybe F15 per PCGS Photograde.
     
  11. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Anyone bother to look at PCGS photograde? That is a 25/30 coin all day long.
     
  12. dannic113

    dannic113 Member

    High grade fine low end veryfine not quite a true vf simply because there isn't enough drapery lines across the right thigh (they are almost completely worn smooth) but the actual definition of the right leg (i.e. the thigh,calf, and ankle curvature) is better than a low F-12 and the detail of the drapery to the right and left side of both legs also says better than fine. I'd say VF-20 all things considered.
     
  13. mcrow24

    mcrow24 New Member

    No, not that high. The 25/30 examples show detail in the upper part of the dress and you can see the dentals on the rim almost all the way around. The coin in this thread does not show that. It sort of has a weird wear pattern, the obverse lettering is very crisp considering the amount of wear to the standing woman, compared to the PCGS examples.

    If you were being very generous you could say F20, but I'd be more inclinded to go F15.
     
  14. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    I agree with most everyone here. The coin has good detail for a F but it seems to have an incomplete outer edge to the shield. The shield edge is essential to a F grade. This is why some have said VG and they wouldn't necessarily be wrong in suggesting so. If you are a stickler for the rules, they are correct.

    The leg wear is consistent with a F grade, but neither it nor the chain mail show enough detail for VF consideration even if you overlook the shield issue.

    This coin points out why hard and fast rules make grading certain series of coins difficult. This coin is a borderline VG/F and it depends on whether or not you want to be generous or conservative as to which you think is correct.

    I would put this coin in a nice VG set. If F was my bottom grade, I'd pass on this coin.
     
  15. petro89

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  17. fishwhacker

    fishwhacker Member

    F-15, a few points given for it being a SLQ.
     
  18. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    why would you give a coin a grade bump just for being old?
     
  19. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Boy Mike, and I thought I was harsh on grading. :)

    I would net grade it a F12 myself, but I completely understand what you are saying. On oddball coins like this, with a mishmash of details grading at different levels, I would net it, (assuming the lower details weren't critical to the look of the coin), and then call out the lower grade aspect. So, F12, weak rim and shield.

    Every coin is unique, so these issues come up. I am not saying I would disagree with someone calling this a VG, just I would net it a touch higher.

    Of course, this is assuming there is not a large price spread for the two grades. If this was a 27s I would probably have a different answer.
     
  20. mcrow24

    mcrow24 New Member

    Yeah, F12 or maybe F15 is about right IMO. I thin F20+ would be a serious over-grade, IMO.
     
  21. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    I have long argued against this type of thinking. I don't think value has any place in grade. To each his own.

    And yes, I AM harsh on grading. Look at the guess the grade over time. I am usually undergrading when I miss.
     
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