Type 1 and 2 1886 Indian Head Cents

In 1886 the Mint made a change to one hub. It's a subtle difference but those who know, and those with sharp eyes, will spot the difference between these two varieties.

The top one, variety one, is a newp that arrived today. Both are graded the same though one is PCGS and the other NGC.

Hope you like them!
Lance.

 

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All I've noticed so far is a difference in the distance between the 6 in 1886 and the last A in America (variety 1= close) and between the 1 in 1886 and the U in United (variety 1= close)

 

the hair below the feathers

 

Keep looking - but it is interesting the placement of the last A in america. Never noticed that.

Nice pickup Lance - very nice color on both of them.

 

I switched from a Whitman album to a Dansco. This allowed me to avoid buying the $7000 1856 flying eagle cent. However, I found I now had to buy two varieties of the 1886 cent, instead of just one. Even so, I saved $6992.50.

 

The eyes are different.
The ear holes are different.
The neck line is different.
The dates are in different positions.

 

Great looking pair.

 

Isn't it the tips of the bust...above the 1. The first is a rounded tip and the second has a pointed tip? Or does that go without saying and you're looking for other differences between the two?

Both are FANTASTIC coins BTW; I'm so jeleous.

-LTB

 

Where is "The" on this coin?

 

Sigh... me and my absentmindedness. (I meant the U in United)

 

What are those graded if I may ask....My guess is either 64RB or 65RB.

Here is the one I picked up this weekend.....bought it raw for less than $100 . Not the rarer Type II, but still a very nice coin. It will be sent in for grading.

 

Both of those are really beautiful.. I know the difference but that is because I was looking at the coin explorer earlier today when I was looking at some Indian Head Cents on E-Dump earlier.

 

Very nice coins look at the last 2 fethers. How did the first one grade?

 

That's it. Compare their positions to RIC in AMERICA.

Each is graded 64RB.
Lance.

 

The type 1 coin (top), the last feather points between the I and C, while in the Type 2 coin (2nd) the last feather points between the C and the A in AMERICA. Your 2 coins look great.

I've got a Type 1 1886 PR64 IHC that's been PhotoSealed.

 

It is not just the last 2 feathers. It is the entire right motto and date have been shifted. The feather points at the O in a different spot all the way through the date's relation to the neck.

 

I try to never argue with rlm.

Ever wonder why tweaks like these were done? "Dude...the feathers are too high and the motto placement sucks. What were you smoking?"
Lance.

 

Rim is correct the position of all the feathers below OF AMERICA are slightly different but the change is very subtle with the O, a little less subtle with the A, slightly noticeable with the M, definitely noticeable at R, and it knocks you teeth out with the last feather. You have to ignore differences in the placement of the date because it was punched into each die by hand so it's position is going to vary with each die.

 

Hello to one and all of my coinacious brothers and sisters!
I am not only an avid coin collector, but also an artist. Any how, as with some artist displaying work to show is more a matter of suggestion or accuracy. To me, i prefer either or. Any way, whilst i was looking through the web, for Indian Head Pennies, as i am currently working on Making Giant Americana style Indian head penny, I came across this thread for part of my study... It all started while doing study drawings for this particular penny. Basically i do drawings first, then i layout a guide, then i sculpt from clay a rendering like the coin i am doing. I did this with the Lincoln Cent, 3 different sizes. I decided to follow suit with the Indian Head Cent... I'm working on the introduction year of 1859... I was doing studies of this coin and figured all of the obverse to be the same.... So i did the drafts to both 1859 and 1909... When i observed closely, i noticed that 1859 which is known as the type 1 indian head the head dress tail feather points between I and C in America. When i observed the 1909 study i did, i noticed the same head dress feather point between the C and A in America. That much is clear. But i revealed another startling discovery that, i'm not sure any one else picked up on.... The Type 1 style coins have the rimmed or toothed nubs, at a count of 125 teeth... this is evident in all Indian Cents from 1859 to 1886. While the Type 2 style coins have the rimmed or toothed nubs, at a count of 136 teeth... This is clearly evident in all Indian Cents from 1886 to 1909... It helped me so that when i spend the countless hours sculpting the Giant Indian Head Cent, i will now have to make 2 different kinds of Obverse... I hope that this information is useful to you in the near future, when determining not only the style, but authenticity of the Indian Head Cents... Count the rimmed nubs on type 1 and 2 and you will be amazed... Thank you once again for your attention my coinacious brothers and sisters!

 

It's a pretty simple answer. Type 2 all of the striking has been shifted Slightly to the right. The 1 in the date is now past the neck point as the A in America is more center in between the two last feathers and just go around the coin and every letter is moved nicely to the right to give the coin more balance in my opinion.

As I don't know squat about IHC's because I have one for sale on the for sale section on the forum at 50% off and it's slabbed, I am probably wrong here also.

So, I thought after 30 years in the hobby I would give a guess. Sometimes right, sometimes WRONG.